F35 down

[ady eflog]

Was the previous one to crash in the sea ever recovered?

If your on about the Japanese one, yes they recovered wreckage

 

[Cat Techie]

dont fly over the same anti aircraft site 3 times........?

3 words. One can play a TV Game with them. Navy (Blank) Up.

 

[mad_collie]

Oh dear.

LINKY

 

[Spearmint]

Oh dear.

LINKY

An incredible **** up if true (likely seeing as flying wasn't halted).

I've not done carrier ops but spent a significant portion of my career on F35 as a Supervisor / Flight Line Controller so am all too aware of how many 'holes in the cheese' have lined up to allow this.

 

[Oldstacker]

So, was it a case of it not being removed from the crashed aircraft or is it a case of FOD with a loose article not cleared up from the deck or even blown or sucked off of a nearby parked aircraft?

 

[Cornish_Pikey]

So, was it a case of it not being removed from the crashed aircraft or is it a case of FOD with a loose article not cleared up from the deck or even blown or sucked off of a nearby parked aircraft?

That'll come out in the wash.

 

[Cat Techie]

Can we buy another F35B?

 

[Cat Techie]

The service enquiry will be a just culture or Navy Blame Game? Please be a fully Matelot muck up!

 

[Cat Techie]

An incredible **** up if true (likely seeing as flying wasn't halted).

I've not done carrier ops but spent a significant portion of my career on F35 as a Supervisor / Flight Line Controller so am all too aware of how many 'holes in the cheese' have lined up to allow this.

Multiple checks being missed is not hard to happen. Saw such once with a Jag Sqn incident. Armourer doing all the make safe for parking pin moves missed one. Signed for it. Cpl second signatory penned them (he was having a bad day as his application for redundacy had been rejected). Liney missed it (it was a Friday and he had been at the Bob the night before, so prehaps he wasn't the brightest spark that morning) and finally the pilot missed it as well. It was after engine start up he realised he was a pin short in the stowage and had to shut down. A few people went to see the Wobbly that day.

 

[Oldstacker]

Having read more than a few of the publicly available Inquiry reports, I am very aware of just how many incidents have happened in the past where many swiss cheese slices have lined up just right...... In my job, safety is talked about a lot but many of the individuals who are a slice of swiss cheese seem unaware of their importance in the process and what the consequences of their slackness or lack of thought may lead to. The Haddon-Cave effect is wearing off at the individual level.

 

[Allflapnofly]

Splashed the cash with a blank.....cheque......

 

[Rigga]

Having read more than a few of the publicly available Inquiry reports, I am very aware of just how many incidents have happened in the past where many swiss cheese slices have lined up just right...... In my job, safety is talked about a lot but many of the individuals who are a slice of swiss cheese seem unaware of their importance in the process and what the consequences of their slackness or lack of thought may lead to. The Haddon-Cave effect is wearing off at the individual level.

Unfortunately, I witnessed the H-C effect wearing quite thin during the last tornado years...but from the very top (and the MAA) - who inevitably influence the bottom line (one of the reasons I left a management position in BAES). I'm not sure if you've noticed but the MAAs RA's are now almost the same as they were before H-C's condemnations of military airworthiness and the (then) drive to work towards a Mil 145 and M (Def-Stan 05-130...now fully withdrawn).

 

[Late & Tired]

That'll come out in the wash.

Thought it was the Med ?
I'll get my coat...

 

[Talk Wrench]

Unfortunately, I witnessed the H-C effect wearing quite thin during the last tornado years...but from the very top (and the MAA) - who inevitably influence the bottom line (one of the reasons I left a management position in BAES). I'm not sure if you've noticed but the MAAs RA's are now almost the same as they were before H-C's condemnations of military airworthiness and the (then) drive to work towards a Mil 145 and M (Def-Stan 05-130...now fully withdrawn).

Mil part 145 never made any sense to me. Even some of our European allies have generally moved to EASA part 145 for their maintenance (MRO) requirements with both military and civilian license holders auth'd for signing off military aircraft.

 

[Cornish_Pikey]

MAA had to bend their rules when they bought Rivet Joint, 1964 airframes. Older than Nimrod.

 

[Rigga]

Mil part 145 never made any sense to me. Even some of our European allies have generally moved to EASA part 145 for their maintenance (MRO) requirements with both military and civilian license holders auth'd for signing off military aircraft.

The Def-Stan was a bit of a buggered up mess to be honest. I talked to the guy who wrote the original draft and he said his draft was almost the same as EASA - but someone in MOD changed it to become what was presented to the RAF.
As for the Dutch and French, and possibly others now, they follow EMA regulations (EMARs) which do follow EASA quite closely.
I was on the consultations for a MIL 66 but MOD stupidly left that out to Contractors (RR, BAES, Raytheon etc) who couldn’t get their act together without involving huge cost….heard that before?

 

[Cat Techie]

The RAF and other forces would not have the hard and fast EASA / whatever the CAA revert to regs. It would put EngO's out of work.

 

[Talk Wrench]

The RAF and other forces would not have the hard and fast EASA / whatever the CAA revert to regs. It would put EngO's out of work.

Explain how Airtanker works then? I'm guessing that EngO's aren't out of work?

 

[Talk Wrench]

The Def-Stan was a bit of a buggered up mess to be honest. I talked to the guy who wrote the original draft and he said his draft was almost the same as EASA - but someone in MOD changed it to become what was presented to the RAF.
As for the Dutch and French, and possibly others now, they follow EMA regulations (EMARs) which do follow EASA quite closely.
I was on the consultations for a MIL 66 but MOD stupidly left that out to Contractors (RR, BAES, Raytheon etc) who couldn’t get their act together without involving huge cost….heard that before?

Having recently worked for a European based MRO that has picked up Mil servicing contracts (under the auspices of part 145) EMARs are destined for redundancy.

 

[Cat Techie]

Having recently worked for a European based MRO that has picked up Mil servicing contracts (under the auspices of part 145) EMARs are destined for redundancy.

You have an EASA AML? Did you transfer to another NAA?

Explain how Airtanker works then? I'm guessing that EngO's aren't out of work?

Because the aircraft are not owned by the RAF. Does a non licenced EngO have shout on the deferment of a snag over the LAE? Tell me the differences. I deferred an Autopilot system with the additional CAT II degrade and Non RVSM last Sunday. Lots of writing.