UK Border Control?

[Martin Blank]

As I get up early on a Sunday to sort out the dogs......not in a lecky way......
I get to flick through the channels and find something other than the kids programmes to watch.
One of my current guilty pleasures is the one about the Australian Border Force and Customs.
My big question is why as an island nation are we not in the same position to repel boarders as our antipodean counterparts?
With recent press coverage of asylum seekers and immigrants illegally claiming benefits, the continued steady influx of what can only be described as scrounging invaders why is the UK Government allowing it.
The argument that immigrants are not taking as many jobs as we think is not enough, immigrants with skills and jobs to go into are fine its the welfare migrants which are the problem.
The EU agreement means that we are obliged to provide welfare for members of the EU states residing in the UK. This does not include the rest of the world.
The accepted rules on asylum is to seek refuge in the nearest friendly country or province. It does not mean traipse half way around the globe to find a soft touch to look after you.
A few years back I was in Switzerland and took a trip into Italy for a weekend away, on passing through the border in both directions we were subject to passport checks and noticed some travellers were ejected at the borders for a chat with immigration. The free flow borders of europe are all well and good for ease of travel but to be honest I'd rather it was still the old system as much of the fakery would be stopped on borders much further away from our own.
When are things going to change?

I'm not zenophobic, I'm not racist, I'm not elitists, I'm just a a tax payer getting hacked of with living a life that is paying for other people who pay and do fek all to end up better off than me.

 

[Inevertouchedit]

We have Border Controls ?? #shocked

 

[Barch]

As I get up early on a Sunday to sort out the dogs......not in a lecky way......
I get to flick through the channels and find something other than the kids programmes to watch.
One of my current guilty pleasures is the one about the Australian Border Force and Customs.
My big question is why as an island nation are we not in the same position to repel boarders as our antipodean counterparts?
With recent press coverage of asylum seekers and immigrants illegally claiming benefits, the continued steady influx of what can only be described as scrounging invaders why is the UK Government allowing it.
The argument that immigrants are not taking as many jobs as we think is not enough, immigrants with skills and jobs to go into are fine its the welfare migrants which are the problem.
The EU agreement means that we are obliged to provide welfare for members of the EU states residing in the UK. This does not include the rest of the world.
The accepted rules on asylum is to seek refuge in the nearest friendly country or province. It does not mean traipse half way around the globe to find a soft touch to look after you.
A few years back I was in Switzerland and took a trip into Italy for a weekend away, on passing through the border in both directions we were subject to passport checks and noticed some travellers were ejected at the borders for a chat with immigration. The free flow borders of europe are all well and good for ease of travel but to be honest I'd rather it was still the old system as much of the fakery would be stopped on borders much further away from our own.
When are things going to change?

I'm not zenophobic, I'm not racist, I'm not elitists, I'm just a a tax payer getting hacked of with living a life that is paying for other people who pay and do fek all to end up better off than me.

Tell me about it.

My daughter in law was assaulted at work in the A & E at Kings Lynn hospital the other week by a Nigerian illegal immigrant with aids. The police seemed reluctant to do anything about it at first.

 

[Ex-Bay]

With recent press coverage of asylum seekers and immigrants illegally claiming benefits, the continued steady influx of what can only be described as scrounging invaders why is the UK Government allowing it.

. The free flow borders of Europe are all well and good for ease of travel but tWhen are things going to change?

I'm not zenophobic, I'm not racist, I'm not elitists, I'm just a a tax payer getting hacked of with living a life that is paying for other people who pay and do fek all to end up better off than me.

My neighbour called in on Sunday night to ask me to keep an eye out for him whilst they're in Austria for a week. In the conversation I asked him about Passports and so on, bearing in mind the EU is supposed to be a "free flow" of citizenry.
It seems that Passport & Border control is awash with Gestapo-type people checking every passport and using every electronic aid sent by the good Lord to keep people out upon their return from a week's coach-trip to Foreign Parts.
Neither of us could work out how all these "illegals" get it (smuggling?)

 

[Barch]

I heard the other week that Spain is actually giving Spanish citizenship to illegal immigrants entering Spain.

They are then given a Spanish ID Card that gives them to unrestricted travel in the EU. The now 'Spanish Citizens' then travel to the UK to 'Sign On' to UK Benefits as allowed by EU Law.

We need to close our borders to all immigrants (including EU) without visas.

 

[steve_k243]

As I get up early on a Sunday to sort out the dogs......not in a lecky way......
I get to flick through the channels and find something other than the kids programmes to watch.
One of my current guilty pleasures is the one about the Australian Border Force and Customs.

1.The argument that immigrants are not taking as many jobs as we think is not enough, immigrants with skills and jobs to go into are fine its the welfare migrants which are the problem.
The EU agreement means that we are obliged to provide welfare for members of the EU states residing in the UK. This does not include the rest of the world.
2. The accepted rules on asylum is to seek refuge in the nearest friendly country or province. It does not mean traipse half way around the globe to find a soft touch to look after you.
A few years back I was in Switzerland and took a trip into Italy for a weekend away, on passing through the border in both directions we were subject to passport checks and noticed some travellers were ejected at the borders for a chat with immigration. The free flow borders of europe are all well and good for ease of travel but to be honest I'd rather it was still the old system as much of the fakery would be stopped on borders much further away from our own.
When are things going to change?

3. I'm not zenophobic, I'm not racist, I'm not elitists, I'm just a a tax payer getting hacked of with living a life that is paying for other people who pay and do fek all to end up better off than me.

1. Not entireley, I recently completed a contract at an NHS trust. The 6 other contractors were immigrants, 2 Malaysian Chinese, 1 Sri Lankan, 2 Indians and 1 Nigerian. The Nigerians job could have been done by anyone who has used a smart mobile phone before, and the Indians jobs were basic PC hardware support. OK PC hardware is a skill, but not exactly brain surgery. Even sytem management, which the other 3 did is a bread & butter IT skill. In all 6 cases there will have been unemployed UK citizens who could have done these jobs. They were granted visas because of skills! a joke. Even with our alleged lowering educational standards, the UK should be able to fill the overwhelming majority of vacancies with it's own citizens. This needs rapid change. The one eyed Scottish moron granted 100,000 work visas to Indian IT workers, the ones I have encountered have no exceptional skills, and in fact many are unintelligible in person, let alone over the phone. It's time to stop bribing India(ns), they will buy Typhoon or not, all in good time! In the case of specialists we should be training our own, OK there will be a constant need for immigrants in certain specialities, and I'm sure all but Griffin and Co would welcome this. Capping benefits to get the UK unemployed back to work is 50% of the solution, the other 50% is leaving the non trading components of the EU. Also, if we traded with our former colonies, rather than the EU maybe Africans etc would be less tempted to come here in the first place. The CAP has been called a contributory factor in African poverty.

2. The UNHCR is quite clear on this "refugees are to seek asylum in the nearest safe country" I have mentioned this before, but Burmese who find themselves on the wrong side of their government don't leap out of artics at Dover. They mostly end up in carppy camps in Bangladesh or Thailand, but glad to be alive. There are NO (unless they arrive by air) genuine asylum cases in this country (by UNHCR guidelines), well unless the Irish start torturing their citizens. If you live in genuine fear you will not feel the need to cross continents, often lining the pockets of organised crime in order to live a safe life. Those in genuine need do not cross 6,7 ++++++++ borders. Stopping sham weddings and very close follow up of non - UK citizens who do marry will prevent illegals using HR laws to remain here, gain passports and empty the Exchequer.

3. You and me both! In fact I hear many immigration worries from asian and black colleagues. Those who yell "racist" at every given opportunity are often living in white middle class bubbles miles from the nearest industrial or housing estate. The "Intelligensia" "liberal minded people"as they call themselves. There is nothing intelligent or liberal about seeing your own citizens, irerespective of race, sink in a downward spiral whilst supporting the "human rights" of at best foreign chancers, and at worst genocidal Islamic cavemen.

Rant over.

 

[steve_k243]

I heard the other week that Spain is actually giving Spanish citizenship to illegal immigrants entering Spain.

They are then given a Spanish ID Card that gives them to unrestricted travel in the EU. The now 'Spanish Citizens' then travel to the UK to 'Sign On' to UK Benefits as allowed by EU Law.

We need to close our borders to all immigrants (including EU) without visas.

Tens of thousands of Somalians did much the same, via Denmark and the Netherlands.
These countries know where the final destination is, so the ID's are handed out without question.

A roaring trade according to the Border farce TV prog is in bogus Portugese ID cards, to be used by Brazilian illegals.

 

[Vagabond]

My hometown is becoming a dustbin for the world. They are feckin everywhere and you would be hard pushed not to walk 100m and not hear an eastern European, middle eastern or African language. We're not content with our own legions of the underclass, we feel the need to import millions more. I genuinely don't get the pro-immigration arguement. Country's being feckin raped.

The trouble is it's hardly worth raising on e-goat, I would imagine 99% of us feel roughly the same so we just end up chuntering about the same issues.

 

[POB]

Not in defence of Spain, but...

They have a massive problem (Legacy rights etc) with South Americans who can show Spanish descent. At present they have about 1000000 Ecuadorians living there who are actually being paid to leave...Flights are funded and they get a bonus lump sum.

Being thieving gypsy fatherless they return to Ecuador, get new documents and return to Spain. To be fair as Spain has contracted financially, there are not so many jobs (Restaurants, cleaning etc type jobs...) and many are returning voluntarily.

Technically they have permission to enter Spain and NOT the rest of EU...However, the real world says that at least some of them are in UK...

I have been looking at getting my gf back to UK...It is almost impossible. When my child is born (s)he will have a Brit passport and be able to come and go as (s)he pleases, but her mother will not. Not completely sure how I feel about that, buut she will not be going to Uk to claim off of the state.

 

[vim_fuego]

This segment of society that the OP types of need some thought before we write them off...They are a market force in our economy whether we like them/it or not.

Right now our economy stumbles along barely demonstrating growth if stats are to be believed...Many are experiencing pay freezes which when put through the meat grinder of inflationary comparison models equates to a pay drop in real terms...Our benefit system, even with the ConDems best efforts this week to cap it to a level similar to a person working on a minimum wage, still favours a person sitting on his/her ar$e all day day watching Jezzy Kyle on the full Sky package with a staffy sat at their feet.

With that in mind now think what this segment does for us...They pick the potatoes that make them around £2 a bag in a supermarket, They pick a deal of our other root vegetables, a lot of our fruit, they gut fish in factories, work in slaughter houses, clean offices and all the other sh1te jobs that 99% of our population wouldn't get out of their bed to do for the money these people turn in for....Yes they work illegally, in dangerous conditions, there is no way of knowing how many there are or if the odd one 'disappears' due to accidents. Yes they are probably ran by gangs and fecking miserable and won't pay taxes/NI but they are keeping the country running at it's present cost level because if we routed out all of them and had them deported and made 'Shane Chav' get up before mid day to go do those jobs there would be so many laws governing his employment that the cost of that bag of spuds might treble...Not just because of his wage but because of his culture to not working and milking the system he would be long term sick and no spuds being picked at all in a heart beat.

I'm not saying I like it nor do I support it but they are an important factor in our society which to eradicate would hurt us in the pocket.

 

[chiprafp]

But surely the reason that work is available to them in such abundance is the shocking benefits system we in this country provide to spongers! The only reason people in this country wont do those jobs is because they are paid so well to stay at home. The benefits system in the UK used to be a safety net for people who had fallen on hard times but in this day and age it is seen as a way of life.

If we werent paying through the nose to support that system we wouldnt need the legal/illegal immigrants to prop up the employment market.

 

[ady eflog]

But surely the reason that work is available to them in such abundance is the shocking benefits system we in this country provide to spongers! The only reason people in this country wont do those jobs is because they are paid so well to stay at home. The benefits system in the UK used to be a safety net for people who had fallen on hard times but in this day and age it is seen as a way of life.

If we werent paying through the nose to support that system we wouldnt need the legal/illegal immigrants to prop up the employment market.

Why dont we impose community work on all the dole spongers? you want your money fecking work for it! there is plenty of litter picking, pathways and hedges that need sorting out round my town.

 

[vim_fuego]

The benefit system props up the situation...It starts with profit/greed from the producer.

An agricultural conglomerate grows spuds on a large scale in the UK. Asda et al want to be the no.1 seller of all groceries in the UK. Asda approach the producer and dictate how much they WANT to pay for the spuds...The producer really wants to supply Asda as it's a massive outlet for it's goods...It crunches the figures and after negotiations settles on a price close to Asda's aspirations...It then goes internal and works out how to bring down it's running costs to the bare bone to maximise profits...It's a competitive world which means most huge companies rather than employ and care for a workforce (pension, sick pay, maternity pay etc) outsources to labour providers...as long as the provider meets minimum standards of employment paperwork that the goverment requires (no matter how obviously fabricated) the producer isn't going to ask too many questions as it will ensure it is fireproof before preceeding...workers get picked up in a sh1tty van at 0500 on a corner in Lincoln, work 12-14 hours for a percentage of their minimum wage (£2-3 an hour) and return to their at best shared accomodation if not gang sponsored house prison where they are working off their transit fees from eastern europe or further afield...every now and then there is a raid and the faceless labour provider gets shut down to re-open a week or two later.

 

[busby1971]

First of all there are plenty of jobs out there for the great unwashed, unfortunately at this moment they are filled by east European Labour that has come to this country to improve their lot.

Has caused a great deal of strain on our schools, benefits systems, police and hospitals in one way or another, and should have been allowed to happen.

When some one on benefits of £26,000 is earning the equivalent of £16 per hour for doing nothing why should they give this up to work for £7 to £9 per hour even if other benefits will make up the shortfall, this is the problem that needs solving and the Willy nilly liberals to step out side their enclaves and smell the roses.

 

[John Lloyd]

The benefit system props up the situation...It starts with profit/greed from the producer.

An agricultural conglomerate grows spuds on a large scale in the UK. Asda et al want to be the no.1 seller of all groceries in the UK. Asda approach the producer and dictate how much they WANT to pay for the spuds...The producer really wants to supply Asda as it's a massive outlet for it's goods...It crunches the figures and after negotiations settles on a price close to Asda's aspirations...It then goes internal and works out how to bring down it's running costs to the bare bone to maximise profits...It's a competitive world which means most huge companies rather than employ and care for a workforce (pension, sick pay, maternity pay etc) outsources to labour providers...as long as the provider meets minimum standards of employment paperwork that the goverment requires (no matter how obviously fabricated) the producer isn't going to ask too many questions as it will ensure it is fireproof before preceeding...workers get picked up in a sh1tty van at 0500 on a corner in Lincoln, work 12-14 hours for a percentage of their minimum wage (£2-3 an hour) and return to their at best shared accomodation if not gang sponsored house prison where they are working off their transit fees from eastern europe or further afield...every now and then there is a raid and the faceless labour provider gets shut down to re-open a week or two later.

And that's much as I remember it in the 80's. Except it was the locals being picked up.

 

[steve_k243]

Why dont we impose community work on all the dole spongers? you want your money fecking work for it! there is plenty of litter picking, pathways and hedges that need sorting out round my town.

Nice as that may seem, it's against minimum wage legislation in the case of childless/small family dolies, who do not recieve Alan Sugar sized handouts. Ask yourself, would you work a 37 hour week for dole money, unless a viable new skill was in the offing? Those with zillions of kids, pitbulls, huge TV,s etc would however, given the huge handouts they recieve fall within minimum wage. However they will always find an excuse to avoid any kind of work, and personally I would reckon on DWP staff backing off in many cases to avoid assault.
I know that GP's have been threatened in the past to sign off many a chav as unfit to work. Why do you think that new incapacity claims are seen by a panel of appointed private Doctors rather than the claimants own GP?
Many GP's may even sign off the odd chav just to get rid of them so they can attend to genuine cases.

Even if you could bring a scheme like this to fruition, the lifetime professional dole sponge will find a way around it, they always do.

 

[Vagabond]

In reply to Vim's point. If we,

1: Stopped all but professional immigration.
2: Sent back illegals whilst cutting off the benefit stream to our own feckless.
3: Cracked down on work gangs and dodgy factories.
4: Introduce a ' Jobcentre finds you work' policy then work or lose benefit. They then work in vacant factory positions.
5: Introduced a 'no work in Britain you no recieve money eh' system.

Our great unwashed would soon learn to read and write or spend a lifetime picking sprouts. The message around the world would soon get around that the gravy train is over and we save a fortune in tax, anti-social behaviour and having to police the feckers.

Or is that too simple or facist? I don't know anymore, I'm turning into Hitler.

 

[Ex-Bay]

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When some one on benefits of £26,000 is earning the equivalent of £16 per hour for doing nothing why should they give this up to work for £7 to £9 per hour even if other benefits will make up the shortfall, this is the problem that needs solving and the Willy nilly liberals to step out side their enclaves and smell the roses.

When I spent a while in the 80s as unemployed, we (my family) were is a bad financial state.
A course in "Creative Benefit claims" would have helped.

These vast (?) Benefit sums featured by some newspapers are more (by far) than I was earning as a Civvy in MoD !

 

[steve_k243]

When I spent a while in the 80s as unemployed, we (my family) were is a bad financial state.
A course in "Creative Benefit claims" would have helped.

These vast (?) Benefit sums featured by some newspapers are more (by far) than I was earning as a Civvy in MoD !

They do exist! Throw in one or both parents claiming disability and millions of kids and the £26K level is easily bust. Oddly disability never stops them breeding.

My youngest sister has to literally budget down to the last £1. Her and husband have 2 kids, no car, council house. Both work, sis part time in a school, bro in law full time in a family business, 3 buses in each direction, 18 miles from home.

His brother is on disability, "the Blob", his mrs has recently been cut off from disability, and both can lay claim to less than 1 year working between them. 3 kids, council house, 5 year old people carrier, dogs, laptops etc etc.

Answers on a postcard as to who has the highest, or any disposable income.

 

[vim_fuego]

What needs to return to our society is simply 'shame'

Feel ashamed that you are cheating
Feel ashamed that you aren't working
Feel ashamed that you pay nothing into common account
Feel ashamed that you take everything out of it
Feel ashamed that you think it's right to have 10+ children without worrying about supporting them
Feel ashamed when you walk down the street and you see a friend from your school days in a suit doing well
Feel ashamed enough to change.

Listening to R4 last night on way home about the Swedish economy. It is bouyant...they have high levels of tax but get a lot back from it in terms of maternity, dental, healthcare, childcare assisstnace etc...They interview a lady working in a cafe and asked her 'What would you feel like if you weren't working and claiming money to help you?' and she instantly said 'ashamed!'