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why doesn't anybody rate the Raf regiment?

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LAMPY

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Posted Sat 23 December 2006 16:44
Hi

Although the RAF Regiment is always mentioned as one of the three elite regiments/brigades of the British armed forces (the other two being the Parachute Regiment and the Royal Marines Commandos) it seems to me that they are not generaly held in the same regard as the Marines and the Paras.

On the forums I've been on the Para's seem like a bit of an arrogant bunch but when you think your the best I suppose an arrogant swagger develops (although I know an ex-para and he's as humble as they come) and the marines seem to be a more laid back bunch. I don't understand why the RAF are not rated higher by other members of the armed forces. I'm sure I read somewhere that the RAF regiment do the Parachute regiment's P1 course so that should mean something.

The Royal Marines forums are not nearly as harsh with their judgment as the Parachute regiment/army forums are but still, it's enough to put people off joining unless it's a regiment that they have always wanted to join.

The parachute Regiment have the Pathfinders and the majority of SAS solders are from the Paras, the marines have the various cadres/ mountainleaders and like the Paras, the majority of those in the SBS are from the Royal's, do the Raf regiment have their own special operations unit's? Or do the join the SAS/SBS/Special Reconnaissance Regiment/Special Forces Support Group?

regards Lampy
 
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Edzar

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LAMPY said:
Posted Sat 23 December 2006 16:44 do the Raf regiment have their own special operations unit's? Or do the join the SAS/SBS/Special Reconnaissance Regiment/Special Forces Support Group?

regards Lampy
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Not a clue but I can confirm that the RAF regiment have quite a few special cases!!! (PS for example!!):pDT_Xtremez_31: :pDT_Xtremez_31:
 
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Nice Try

A nice attempt at a wind up me thinks...............WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Go back to ARRSE you Cnut.
 
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LAMPY said:
Posted Sat 23 December 2006 16:44
do the Raf regiment have their own special operations unit's? Or do the join the SAS/SBS/Special Reconnaissance Regiment/Special Forces Support Group?
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The more informed people would actually know that the SAS recruit RAF Regt.

Selection is held twice a year regardless of conditions. A candidate must be male and have been a regular member of the Armed Forces for at least three years or a member of 21 SAS or 23 SAS (which can be joined directly from civilian life) for at least 18 months. All soldiers who apply must have at least 39 months of military service remaining. A candidate who fails any stage of the selection is 'Returned to [his parent] Unit' (RTU'd). Candidates are allowed only two attempts at selection, after which they may never reapply. Many are not even allowed that.

Like other sections of the British armed forces, the SAS accepts members from the Commonwealth and The Republic of Ireland, with notable representation from Fiji, the former Rhodesia, New Zealand and Australia. The Parachute Regiment is the SAS's main recruiting area.

The selection phase can be broken down in to three main sections: 1) Physical endurance 2) Combat 3) Survival and evading capture
The physical endurance phase is the phase in which most candidates will be eliminated due to the difficulty of the test. The SAS use the Brecon Beacons in Wales to carry out the test. The candidates must under go a long distance hike, and a short distance, but timed, run. For the long distance test, the candidates will carry about 50-80lbs of weight including a rifle. The short distance run is usually 8 miles, but the candidates must complete this in an hour.

The combat phase is held in the jungle, normally in Africa or Asia. This is where the successful candidates will learn to use weapons and tactics to outwit and outmanouver enemy forces. The SAS, unlike most regiments, uses live ammunition on their combat phase. This is because they are trained to fight while considering friendly positions from the start, so that they can carry this straight on to the battlefield: 'You only get one chance'.

If candidates have managed to pass through this combat phase then now they have to go through survival and escape and evasion training. In this phase candidates that are left from the hundreds that apply will undergo a survival phase in the jungle, in which they only have a small 'survival kit'. They must 'survive' for a week while evading an enemy tracking party. This is a particularly hard phase because the tracking party is normally accustomed to the ground. After this week, the candidates must give themselves up at an agreed meeting point. They will then be taken back to the enemy HQ and interrogated. This interrogation phase will make or break their career as they must under go physical and mental torture as well as aggressive interrogation. The SAS will roughly accept 2-7% of the soldiers that started selection.
Personnel completing selection are placed on probation for 4 years and undergo specialist and continuation training appropriate to their employing Troop or more general training such as language. This training will include Jungle, Desert, Urban and Counter-terrorism specialist courses.

I hope that answers your question..
 
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In fact as previously mentioned elsewhere on this forum, there are only three things stopping Sausage2 joining the SF

1. He is unfit

2. He is lazy

3. He is a coward
 
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enginesuck

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Im sure i postedon this thread a couple of days ago, but it seems to have been deleted.... Strange.
 
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The whole thread was deleted because of a Opsec issue. The thread has been restarted by lampy.
 
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Informed Gunner

Informed Gunner

The more informed people would actually know that the SAS recruit RAF Regt.

Wobbly, I think I am informed enough on the RAF Regt.

My point being, is that I think this thread is a windup to try and bait the RAF Regt or other members of the RAF.

If you go to other military forums (ARRSE) as the "dickhead" above mentions, you can find pages and pages on the RAF Regt being slagged, by jealous members of the other Services. (I may even get a bite here (lol))

I think this is an attempt to do the same as it's a first post and he seems to know a little (a lot) about the military.

Happy Xmas.

Oh and Please dont just cut and paste from "wikipedia" you informed person.........................
 
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LAMPY

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allow me to retort....

allow me to retort....

Hi

allow me to retort...

I have never been to war but I'm of the opinion that the better you are trained the better the likelyhood of that service man/woman coming home alive. If we are honest not all of the UK service people are trained to the same standard because of the roles they asked to do. The Uk armed forces basic training is of the highest standard but obviously the more elite a regiment is, the better trained the person should be and I'd like to be the best I can be.

I'm not trying to wind anybody up. I think that 4 out of the first 5 reply's I had that thought I was taking the urine should add some fish to the chips they have on both shoulders. This say's to me that those guy's are used to having to listern to negative stuff about the Raf regiment. Whether this is justified or not is a conclusion I have yet to come to, but with the help of the users of the forum I'm sure I'll make an informed decision.

I'm sure if I would have posted this on a Para/marine forum they would have told me about their history, battle honours, training etc before telling me where to go. Instead of Gunnerrock or Coolhead telling me where to go it would have been more informative to tell my why thay had joind the regiment and what makes it so special to them personally and why they are special in the armed forces.

GUNNERROCK; tell me this: why should other members of the armed forces be jealous? This is the kind of information that may be the difference between a person joining the regiment or not. If i'm reading negative stuff on the forums then other would be recruits are doing the same.

I'm thinking of joining the armed forces as it's something I've always considered but now I feel is the right time for me. I don't have a childhood dream of joining a particular regiment or unit so I've been looking in different forums to see how members rate their own unit and just as important to me is how the talk about other members of the armed forces. I've boiled it down to the joining the RAF regiment or becoming a royal marines commando. At the moment the royal marines has got my juices flowing. Like I said, the Raf regiment doesn't seem to be as well known as other units in the armed forces.

Wobbly said the the SAS recruit from the regiment but I wouldn't want to leave the regiment, it would be good if the regiment had it's own special forces/operations unit. Like the marines you could join the SBS but at the same time you are still a commando. I'm not trying to cause any trouble here but you are the guy's who have lived and breathed the regiment:MAKE ME WANT TO JOIN!

regards

Lampy.
 
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Oh sir

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Quality post Lampy.

If I may interject as another TG8 monkey (apologies to our regiment friends for commenting on your thread) I'd say this....

For you to have taken the trouble to comment as you did, has certainly got rid of the usual "ARRSe" interloper accusations.

You made some extremely valid points, which I'll leave for the Regiment guys themselves to reply to.

As an RAF Copper (!) if I may, I'd say this: The Regiment are an extremely professional unit who do themselves proud wherever they go. Yes I've nicked one once in 18 years! But they do the job extremely well. And 1 "nick" in 18 years shows their level of professionalism, and common sense.

They do get recruited for the SAS yes. They don't shout about it, so that may be a pretty good reason why it's not common knowledge.

Yes the Paras are the main recruiting ground for the SAS. And yes the Marines are probably second. But the good old RAF Regt are there too.

They are a damn good unit. Don't let the stupid bull**** on "ARRSe" and such like put you off. They are just as well trained. These WALT and TA guys are just jealous, as gunnerrock said.

Bear in mind this post is from an RAF Copper, supposedly the worst enemy of the RAF Regt, and it should at least give you some idea of the truth.
Don't let it put you off.

All the best.

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What he said^^^^ I knocked 3 and thats because I was at Aldergrove for 5 Years and they had a few tools :eek:) On the whole I have met many a decent rock and all of them get the job done no matter what!
 
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enginesuck

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But the regiment does have its own special forces, known as the G.D.T section, these elite number only a few and operate clandestine training missions behind enemy lines. They use terror tactics and specialize in Nuclear, biological and chemical warfare. They also have some of the most expensive equipment in the Raf at their disposal such as the S.A.T Range and the 'Gas Chamber' Their motto - Forward Assist

Hope This Helps.
 
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