The RAF - No room for 'Guys'

[norfolkred1]

So glad I left all this shoite behind back in 2008.

I bet she was best recruit at Swinditz.

She would have had a fit doing her drivers course at Saints when marching back after work. Where the DI's would shout 'ladies at the front, open yer legs, nowts gonna fall out'

 

[80gradeagain]

Funny isn't it....how good people who weren't doing anything wrong are now pulled up and frowned upon by these types and categorised as racists, xenophobes, mysoginists etc etc. Bloody glad I'm out of it too. I couldn't have served or done my job correctly whilst being forced to constantly tread on eggshells.

 

[StickyFingers]

Funny isn't it....how good people who weren't doing anything wrong are now pulled up and frowned upon by these types and categorised as racists, xenophobes, mysoginists etc etc. Bloody glad I'm out of it too. I couldn't have served or done my job correctly whilst being forced to constantly tread on eggshells.

It's not that bad mate.

Just a vocal minority filling their Sjars with awareness and posters putting a microscope on problems that aren't there.

I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, but I've never been in a section with issues on race, sexuality gender etc...

Think a lot of this stuff comes from shower thoughts and not real life.

 

[Tin basher]

Last week WO Sara Catterall, Command Senior Enlisted Leader at NATO AIRCOM, RAF Diversity Ally & Gender Advisor (try fitting that on a name-tag) announced via Twitter that RAF personnel should refrain from using the term 'guys' when addressing groups of people

Moving it up a level according to the Mail

Ministry of Defence's new diversity chief takes aim at 'sexist' ranks

Samantha de Forges, who was appointed in the new role in February, is leading a review into military titles to be used in the UK's armed forces which will happen next year.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The Ministry of Defence's new £110,000-a-year diversity chief a Ms Samantha de Forges is taking aim at 'sexist' ranks in the armed forces including rifleman and airman. She's leading a review into military titles which will happen next year.

 

[Oldstacker]

Moving it up a level according to the Mail

Ministry of Defence's new diversity chief takes aim at 'sexist' ranks

Samantha de Forges, who was appointed in the new role in February, is leading a review into military titles to be used in the UK's armed forces which will happen next year.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The Ministry of Defence's new £110,000-a-year diversity chief a Ms Samantha de Forges is taking aim at 'sexist' ranks in the armed forces including rifleman and airman. She's leading a review into military titles which will happen next year.

Oh well, here we go again, I would be asking one simple question... How many women/young ladies/females have actually been put off joining because of the 'sexist' rank title? And do the services really need people who are so flimsy as to be put off by those titles when thousands have accepted and risen through them to the top already? Do the numbers really justify the expense of a the review or is she just trying to justify her £110,000?

 

[Dan_Brown]

Moving it up a level according to the Mail

Ministry of Defence's new diversity chief takes aim at 'sexist' ranks

Samantha de Forges, who was appointed in the new role in February, is leading a review into military titles to be used in the UK's armed forces which will happen next year.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The Ministry of Defence's new £110,000-a-year diversity chief a Ms Samantha de Forges is taking aim at 'sexist' ranks in the armed forces including rifleman and airman. She's leading a review into military titles which will happen next year.

Yup, the term 'manpower' is no longer acceptable too, 'workforce' is the acceptable term! I guess no more man hours etc.

It's gotten ridiculous and people are still unsure what is correct to say.

 

[Spearmint]

My own sibling has swallowed this woke bullshit up as well. Visiting him this weekend, a few beers in I used the phrase uttered in many a crewroom / classroom / shop floor that what had just happened on the TV was 'a bit Gay'.....

'Dear Brother, please don't use that term as slander as my neighbours are of the homosexual persuasion and my window is open.....'

I looked at him slightly pertubed by his utterance before explaining to him to not be so stupid, that it is just a word and that words only have power with context or if you let them. I may have also called him a big bummer.

 

[busby1971]

Fair chunk of cash being wasted if this is the type of intervention she’s going to focus on, there’s already plenty of non gendered terms in general use in the military.

But then again this is the daily mail (on line) so probably focussing on one aspect that it knows will bring in finger fall to drive its ad revenue.

 

[vim_fuego]

I’ve noticed a small number of my woke colleagues addding ‘(he, him)’ into signature blocks and LinkedIn profiles. I’ve no idea why?

 

[Past Engineering]

The MAA replaced manpower with personnel throughout all the RA's etc, which meant all AMO's had to go through all their support documents and amend them accordingly.

 

[StickyFingers]

Chief Tech is racist to native Americans too. Hope they get rid of that one.

 

[Barch]

 

[StickyFingers]

If they are going to do it they should do it properly. The lot:

All ranks with *Man suffix removed
Sister, matron etc... gone
Chief is racist, call it something else
All groups that require an un-choosable(Is that the right word?) characteristic (Gender, sexuality, race etc) to be disbanded as they are not inclusive.
No mention of age, gender, sexuality, race on SJARS
Fitness test levels to be consistent across all Genders and Age.
1 uniform, no speciality extras for different genders such as high heels, skirts, hats etc... (Apart from turbans and other religious necessities)
Accommodation blocks are accommodation blocks. no segregation,
Ablutions, mixed.
Messes removed, 1 central dining and drinking establishment accessible to all.
All grooming standards equal across the board. Hair, makeup jewellery etc...

That's just off the top of my head. Equality should be that, Equal. Not picking and choosing to suit.

 

[muttywhitedog]

If they are going to do it they should do it properly. The lot:

All ranks with *Man suffix removed
Sister, matron etc... gone
Chief is racist, call it something else
All groups that require an un-choosable(Is that the right word?) characteristic (Gender, sexuality, race etc) to be disbanded as they are not inclusive.
No mention of age, gender, sexuality, race on SJARS
Fitness test levels to be consistent across all Genders and Age.
1 uniform, no speciality extras for different genders such as high heels, skirts, hats etc... (Apart from turbans and other religious necessities)
Accommodation blocks are accommodation blocks. no segregation,
Ablutions, mixed.
Messes removed, 1 central dining and drinking establishment accessible to all.
All grooming standards equal across the board. Hair, makeup jewellery etc...

That's just off the top of my head. Equality should be that, Equal. Not picking and choosing to suit.

If the MOD are taking this seriously, the words "Sir" and "Ma'am" should also be not used as the person you are addressing may not identify as male/female.

 

[Talk Wrench]

This pronoun lunacy in email signatures is taking off at my workplace.

Apparently though, using the pronouns "It" and "Thing" in an email signature block leads to a formal warning.

These diversity rules are not accepting of my Itness and Thingness. It's just so unfair.

 

[StickyFingers]

If the MOD are taking this seriously, the words "Sir" and "Ma'am" should also be not used as the person you are addressing may not identify as male/female.

Yep, add it to the list.

 

[StickyFingers]

This pronoun lunacy in email signatures is taking off at my workplace.

Apparently though, using the pronouns "It" and "Thing" in an email signature block leads to a formal warning.

These diversity rules are not accepting of my Itness and Thingness. It's just so unfair.

If you identify as an It or a Thing who are they to discipline you?

Seems very dangerous that

 

[fourteen2two]

What a load of pc cobblers, glad I am fully retired!

 

[Tin basher]

there’s already plenty of non gendered terms in general use in the military.

So I'm guessing using the term "fudge packing, Marmite mining, uphill gardening, @rse bandit" is also no longer on the table.

 

[Rugby-Jock-Lad]

Hollywood Lesbos still allowed does anyone know??