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So what are all the breveted individuals going to be up to tomorrow when they dust off their blues and report for their non-flying duties?
So what are all the breveted individuals going to be up to tomorrow when they dust off their blues and report for their non-flying duties?
The aircrew brethern have feathered there own nest , its only a matter of time before the public know what suipid positions they have , already there is a list of most ridiculous 35k a year jobs. Just so sad the groundcrew cannot fall into the station commanders love nest. They are the ones getting ther crap end of things yet who cares .... Kinloss is a reason to get rid of the dead wood
So what would you have seen happen with the aircrew then keeping in mind they have to plan on the news that MR4 arrives July time which is 3-4 months away?
Vim - You are correct when you say that MRA4 arrives in July. However, the unit will not receive its full complement of aircraft for over 2 years (if at all following SDR). Why keep all of the crews now? Why is there not a structured training programme planned over the next couple of years that would allow the same aircrew to achieve the same result? Some of the crews cannot be scheduled to undergo the MRA4 OCU for many months. This would also allow them to be posted away from the unit, to return at a later date when their OCU course commences, to perform tasks on SH, AT etc or indeed why not post them to ground posts and release those SH, AT specialists from those posts to use their particular skill sets? Air power training and presentations are things that us mere mortals do in addition to our day-to-day role not just as a primary task.
The ground crew selection process has, from a distance, appeared to be a far more robust process than the aircrew one!
I'm guessing you are one the the techies who has drawn a posting away? How long have you done at ISK?[/
Just how important is this question, how long have many of the aircrew spent at Kinloss? You can't have it both ways suggesting that the aircrew are undergoing an intense period of training and the groundcrew chisselers are worried about heading of to deepest darkest basingstoke. Perhaps I'm being unfair to you, you may know far more about what is going on than the mere mortals.
Yes, it is impractical to post aircrew away particularly when you can invent new posts such as flight deck assistant/advisor for those breveted individuals who would explode at leaving RAF Moray. To suggest that nests haven't been feathered either betrays collosal naivete or the particular brand of WSOP spectacles that are so prevalent at Kinloss Primary at 0900!
There is a return of service for groundcrew too. Those posted away will not be returning at the drop of the proverbial MRA4 and there are few if any guys on NLS who have been at ISK for more than five years in any case. If an MRA4 arrives in July I'll be surprised as supposedly Kinloss has had one since February! or 2003 your guess is as good as mine and BAE Systems/PT.
Of course people are going to be bitter about perceived inequitable treatment. WSOP's have a highly developed sense of entitlement, you shouldn't be surprised when the 'little people' develop one as well.
Off to dig in and not check in!
The aircrew brethern have feathered there own nest , its only a matter of time before the public know what suipid positions they have , already there is a list of most ridiculous 35k a year jobs.
I bet some of those qualify for the £100,000 retention bonus.
The way I see it is the decision to retire the Nimrod took most of us by surprise...As has been stated to retrain the aircrew for another type for a short time will achieve nothing but expenditure and no useful product before they are required back to [hopefully] be employed on the new frame...The chaps who plan the big stuff in or near London town have grasped the chance to transfer much needed TG1 types to the pinch points of AT and SH...The situation whereby we are short of said TG1 types is of their making and the ISK situation offers them a respite from constant criticism for their penny pinching and short-sightedness...
I'm guessing you are one the the techies who has drawn a posting away? How long have you done at ISK?
There are some aircrew who will be posted away for a short time, they will go and work down south temporarily at northwood/ high wycombe, these are the ones who have not been nominated an MRA4 course as yet. The reason that many are being kept at kinloss is to avoid skill fade, it would be too easy to just detach people away for up to 18 months, but it would seriously affect their operating abilities. Not only this, some would possibly have settled elsewhere and not want to come back! Better to keep them at kinloss operating the kit and honing their skills which they can still do, especially on the new equipment as it is so good. This will give them (and the new nimrod fleet) a running start when the new aircraft comes in, reducing the time it takes to make the fleet combat ready.
mmm...I havent read all this thread so I dont know if this is any good but....
I read somewhere last week that some of the growgab variety are to be punished by touring with their US counterparts learning US equipment and techniques in prep for the rivetty things coming - a bit early in my opinion - but whats a few dozen hundred thou amongst aircrew?