SAC acting CPL OOA

[441staines]

Acting rank

Acting rank

What is the problem here, besides the turn around time? The Army do it all the time, last time I was away one of the REME A/ Sgts was really a L/Cpl, and what made it worse was his full screw back in Germany was under him! I'm all for giving people a challenge and a bit more responsibility. As per usual all the clowns are trying to lay the blame at the "sickies door".

 

[Downsizer]

As per usual all the clowns are trying to lay the blame at the "sickies door".

Are you a sickie?

 

[UlsterExile]

What is the problem here, besides the turn around time? The Army do it all the time, last time I was away one of the REME A/ Sgts was really a L/Cpl, and what made it worse was his full screw back in Germany was under him! I'm all for giving people a challenge and a bit more responsibility. As per usual all the clowns are trying to lay the blame at the "sickies door".

So in effect you would support SAC acting Sgt in OOA. Really!!!!!!!!!

 

[441staines]

So in effect you would support SAC acting Sgt in OOA. Really!!!!!!!!!

No, however, the point I was trying to make was how the army do their own thing in filling their slots. As it happened this chap was pretty useful.

 

[441staines]

Are you a sickie?

Yes, right knee and left ankle.

 

[Norman the Storeman]

Yes, right knee and left ankle.

= Compulsory Redundancy DT_Xtremez_14:

 

[Downsizer]

Yes, right knee and left ankle.

Explains your clowns comment.

 

[UlsterExile]

Just coz the Army do it doesn't meen we have to. I appreciate that the likes of TSW do, but that's a specialist role, and you wouldn't want an SAC acting up looking after some TSW bods on det : who's only worked in MOB's.

 

[RAF Bird]

Just coz the Army do it doesn't meen we have to. I appreciate that the likes of TSW do, but that's a specialist role, and you wouldn't want an SAC acting up looking after some TSW bods on det : who's only worked in MOB's.

SAC's wouldn't be acting up as an SNCO on the wing mate... well I certainly never heard or saw it on my time there.

 

[441staines]

Just coz the Army do it doesn't meen we have to. I appreciate that the likes of TSW do, but that's a specialist role, and you wouldn't want an SAC acting up looking after some TSW bods on det : who's only worked in MOB's.

Why is that then, are they special?

 

[The Nip]

Why is that then, are they special?

Although I will admit that they do a good job, I have heard recently that TSW are judged as a 'One trick pony' This has come from very high up who are now taking a closer look at them. The ARMY are keen to incorporate TSW as they are an integral part of setting up facilities so TSW can operate.
The reason being is they only do fuel. With ELW on the map questions have been raised about what do all these people achieve? Lots of suppliers are multi skilled in various roles and when OOA turn there hand to anything and everything. The operation of PSDs and BFIs are important as well.
TSW are a small but important part, but the they represent a small % of Logs, and with the reductions, can we afford to have a small group of guys & girls who only do fuels when their title says 'Tactical Supply Wing.

 

[TABETX AND SEND]

Although I will admit that they do a good job, I have heard recently that TSW are judged as a 'One trick pony' This has come from very high up who are now taking a closer look at them. The ARMY are keen to incorporate TSW as they are an integral part of setting up facilities so TSW can operate.
The reason being is they only do fuel. With ELW on the map questions have been raised about what do all these people achieve? Lots of suppliers are multi skilled in various roles and when OOA turn there hand to anything and everything. The operation of PSDs and BFIs are important as well.
TSW are a small but important part, but the they represent a small % of Logs, and with the reductions, can we afford to have a small group of guys & girls who only do fuels when their title says 'Tactical Supply Wing.

WHAT? You obviously don't understand what TSW is. The Army have their fuel specialists as well as their other suppliers. The fuel specialists do not prepare the ground for laying tanks etc. the RE's do it so that argument is lost. TSW are the best at doing what they do give it to the Army and we would have it back within 3 years. So who is looking at TSW.................that will be the Army then as they have been for years because the are jealous of what they are and what they give to the users.DT_Xtremez_25:

 

[The Nip]

WHAT? You obviously don't understand what TSW is. The Army have their fuel specialists as well as their other suppliers. The fuel specialists do not prepare the ground for laying tanks etc. the RE's do it so that argument is lost. TSW are the best at doing what they do give it to the Army and we would have it back within 3 years. So who is looking at TSW.................that will be the Army then as they have been for years because the are jealous of what they are and what they give to the users.DT_Xtremez_25:

And the RE's belong to which Service? Please read my post you will see that I have not said anything derogatory about TSW just the facts.

 

[BJW]

Although I will admit that they do a good job, I have heard recently that TSW are judged as a 'One trick pony' This has come from very high up who are now taking a closer look at them. The ARMY are keen to incorporate TSW as they are an integral part of setting up facilities so TSW can operate.
The reason being is they only do fuel. With ELW on the map questions have been raised about what do all these people achieve? Lots of suppliers are multi skilled in various roles and when OOA turn there hand to anything and everything. The operation of PSDs and BFIs are important as well.
TSW are a small but important part, but the they represent a small % of Logs, and with the reductions, can we afford to have a small group of guys & girls who only do fuels when their title says 'Tactical Supply Wing.

Now then, let me think, when did I do my first (of several) TSW course? Ah! yes, it was 1979 and this very argument was being thrown around then. 32 years and it has never gone away; and I suspect it never will.

In the meantime TSW will continue to what they have always done - that perhaps is part of the problem.

 

[Norman the Storeman]

WHAT? You obviously don't understand what TSW is. The Army have their fuel specialists as well as their other suppliers. The fuel specialists do not prepare the ground for laying tanks etc. the RE's do it so that argument is lost. TSW are the best at doing what they do give it to the Army and we would have it back within 3 years. So who is looking at TSW.................that will be the Army then as they have been for years because the are jealous of what they are and what they give to the users.DT_Xtremez_25:

Depends what size DBFI? I worked with the REs on several dets whilst on the Wing. But seeing as TSW are now 'sponsored' by JCB you'd think that they could get a few cheap backhoe loaders to build the bunds! DT_Xtremez_14:

Regarding TSW's future, they are well thought of in very high places (old TG18 training camp) in comparison to their RLC counterparts. This has deflected several attempts of disbandment/amalgamation etc.

 

[441staines]

Although I will admit that they do a good job, I have heard recently that TSW are judged as a 'One trick pony' This has come from very high up who are now taking a closer look at them. The ARMY are keen to incorporate TSW as they are an integral part of setting up facilities so TSW can operate.
The reason being is they only do fuel. With ELW on the map questions have been raised about what do all these people achieve? Lots of suppliers are multi skilled in various roles and when OOA turn there hand to anything and everything. The operation of PSDs and BFIs are important as well.
TSW are a small but important part, but the they represent a small % of Logs, and with the reductions, can we afford to have a small group of guys & girls who only do fuels when their title says 'Tactical Supply Wing.

Thanks for that view, I have believed for years that they are specialists, but not special! If people wont to spend their whole career on the wing then so be it, met several peeps posted away against their wishes who spend all day trying to get back! Definatley agree about the army, why our masters have allowed them to get any fingers in our pie bewilders me.

 

[Messerschmitt Stacker]

In these times of cuts I'd be surprised if TSW gets the chop. The government are very keen on special forces being kept and even expanded, its the one field the UK military excel in.
Now Im not for one minute suggesting TSW are akin to special forces but they are an ancilliary service that can and have supported these kind of operations.
Put it this, the wing provide more penny for penny pound for pound than alot of tech stores, esg's, scaf's etc of the MOBs that could quite feasibly be civilianised. More bang for your buck as they say...

 

[stacker4ever]

So what has TSW got to do with the TR times for the rest of the trade? Start a new thread about the future of TSW and how special, retarded, specialised, cowboys or whatever your view of them are if you really want to, although I have a feeling this has been done before!

As for TR of 14 months, whats the big deal? The nation is engaged in combat operations in 2 theatres and if i am not mistaken we all volunteered to join a military force. If you do not want to deploy in support of combat operations or indeed anywhere where a military presence is required I think you may have chosen the wrong profession. Is this a harsh statement or is it just the truth?

Awaiting the incoming from those who just want to get paid to have a nice time at a camp of thier choice working 8-5 and just being a civvie with a uniform.

 

[The Nip]

So what has TSW got to do with the TR times for the rest of the trade? Start a new thread about the future of TSW and how special, retarded, specialised, cowboys or whatever your view of them are if you really want to, although I have a feeling this has been done before!

As for TR of 14 months, whats the big deal? The nation is engaged in combat operations in 2 theatres and if i am not mistaken we all volunteered to join a military force. If you do not want to deploy in support of combat operations or indeed anywhere where a military presence is required I think you may have chosen the wrong profession. Is this a harsh statement or is it just the truth?

Awaiting the incoming from those who just want to get paid to have a nice time at a camp of thier choice working 8-5 and just being a civvie with a uniform.

What you say is bang on. Problem is there are too many people who like the easy life and find complaining the easy option.

 

[Norman the Storeman]

So what has TSW got to do with the TR times for the rest of the trade? Start a new thread about the future of TSW and how special, retarded, specialised, cowboys or whatever your view of them are if you really want to, although I have a feeling this has been done before!

As for TR of 14 months, whats the big deal? The nation is engaged in combat operations in 2 theatres and if i am not mistaken we all volunteered to join a military force. If you do not want to deploy in support of combat operations or indeed anywhere where a military presence is required I think you may have chosen the wrong profession. Is this a harsh statement or is it just the truth?

Awaiting the incoming from those who just want to get paid to have a nice time at a camp of thier choice working 8-5 and just being a civvie with a uniform.

I've missed you DT_Xtremez_22: