Hunter crash

[Tin basher]

Following on from the recent sad loss of the Gnat and it's pilot now it seems a Hunter has gone down.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34027260

Added

The mail reckons he was injured but got out, no details of any injuries of those on the ground.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-wreckage-plane-crashes-Shoreham-Airshow.html

 

[propersplitbrainme]

I can see these privately operated ex-military fast jets be regulated out of the sky at this rate.

 

[Talk Wrench]

Reports are coming in that several fatalities have occurred but it is not yet confirmed if the pilot escaped.

And I agree with PSBM. Expect a whole load of restrictions to be rushed through on a temporary basis until new guidelines and regulations are made.

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[Stevienics]

Pilots dead - is that thing too old for a CDR?

 

[Tin basher]

BBC now saying 7 dead

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34027260

 

[Ex-Bay]

Sympathy for the bereaved.

 

[Oldstacker]

RAFA

RAFA

Please remember as well, IIRC, the Shoreham Air Show was started and run by the local RAFA branch to raise funds for RAFA. This will hit everyone very hard. As well as sympathy for the dead and bereaved, thoughts to the local RAFA branch as well.

 

[Tin basher]

Pilots dead

Mod hat on. Whilst we are indeed a rumour site it appears the bold statement above is factually incorrect.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34029346

As ever in sad incidents like this we refrain from undue speculation as to casualty numbers.

 

[techie_tubby]

Have any of the boaters worked on Hunters before? Did they have any form of data recorders?

 

[Barch]

Have any of the boaters worked on Hunters before? Did they have any form of data recorders?

RAF had Fatigue Meters, CAA licensed jets I haven't got a clue but would guess that they carry some kind of ADR / CVR.

 

[FOMz]

If you want a heavy dose if speculation backed up vast amounts of self proclaimed keyboard experts, I suggest you look at the thread on Proone.... I was pretty shocked at some of the comments on there to be honest.

 

[Ex-Splitter and Proud]

A more measured report than most of the media carp:

http://vintageaeroplanewriter.blogspot.com.au/2015/08/uk-airshow-safety.html

 

[Old John]

techie_tubby

Have any of the boaters worked on Hunters before? Did they have any form of data recorders?​

I worked on Hunters at Honnington in 1973/4 and Brawdy 1976/9 including the T Mark 7.
I was also an ADR specialist (on Hawks)
The Hunter had a fatigue meter only (just recorded levels of G force)

 

[FOMz]

Seems the Reds refused to display at Shoreham over safety fears.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/avi...field-too-dangerous-for-formation-flying.html

 

[Blue72]

My understanding on that one is that it is the fact that the airspace is so restricted that is the problem - there just isn't enough airspace for the Reds Display, and those are the grounds they have declined to display there on. That article looks to be taking that basic point, but twisting it to add a rather more sensational tone.

 

[Barch]

Initial >> AAIB report <<.

Too early for conclusions.

 

[Tin basher]

Updated news here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-35153660

If true the seat cartridges were out of date, plumbers will know more than I about that aspect. AP's no longer amended at the end of the aircrafts in service life. No surprise there for me why would you keep amending the AP's of an aircraft you no longer use. To expect AP's to be amended for the benefit of future private owners seems to say more about a journo's lack of aviation knowledge than the state of the AP's.

 

[Ex-Splitter and Proud]

Updated news here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-35153660

If true the seat cartridges were out of date, plumbers will know more than I about that aspect. AP's no longer amended at the end of the aircrafts in service life. No surprise there for me why would you keep amending the AP's of an aircraft you no longer use. To expect AP's to be amended for the benefit of future private owners seems to say more about a journo's lack of aviation knowledge than the state of the AP's.

Maybe the journalist could be forgiven for not understanding the report. After all, they're not familiar with either aircraft ops or engineering..... they're just parasitic journo scum.
Although it does look (to me) like someone might need to improve their comms if "One manual supplied by the Royal Air Force, to assist the AAIB, was found to contain 20 amendments which were not included in the equivalent manual for G-BXFI. " (from the AAIB Bulletin S4/2015 Special - https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/media/5677d6bfed915d144f000000/S4-2015_G-BXFI.pdf)
It's one thing for original APs not to be maintained by RAF, that's entirely logical; but it does seem a little odd that a CAA approved maintenance organisation was not able to ensure their docs were up to the "latest" state at the aircrafts' withdrawal from RAF service...
It seems the AAIB were able to find them....
DT_Xtremez_28:

 

[MontyPlumbs]

What's quite concerning is the presence of life ex carts on the seat, although according to the AAIB report it appears to be relatively common amongst ex RAF aircraft.

 

[Rigga]

The report says everything from the AAIBs (and CAAs) point of view, in that they expect manuals to be kept up to date and in line with current trends, experiences and regulatory requirements. It seems that they expect Spitfire manuals to be the same (And I would assume that they are, too.)
As a reflection of the Thunder City EE Lightning's findings I find it really quite surprising that this aircraft was as apparently badly maintained as it was, given the publicity if the Lightning and Gnat reports - it points to someone willingly and completely ignoring their own situation for the 'fun' of airshows or, more realistically, the money earned from them. Meaning that those companies that rely on airshow income might be most at risk of cutting safety corners and endangering their hosts and spectators.
As an aside, from the way this report is worded, it will spark off a movement to ban vintage jets from all UK airspace...that would most likely be closely followed by an equally extensive EASA ruling...I hope not , but the words speak for themselves.

Another thing to note that this report is full of the "sideline FIndings" from the investigation and none of this report's items seems to be a cause of the Crash...which is still to be determined.