FMT 600 and your requirement to hold one

[StickyFingers]

Do you have to have one?

If you passed your Driving Licence as a Civvy before you joined up?

Can you just say to your helpful MT section "**** you and your fucking rules, I can't be arsed with your shit anymore" and return it to them?

 

[Downsizer]

It's an interesting point....I would say probably not....but it would look "bad" wouldn't it, especially if driving quals were against your JPAN. But then if you want to chuck in your 600, you probably don't care about looking "bad" in career terms anymore....

Alternatively could they discipline you for not obeying an order to obtain one? Say that holding Q-D-L was against your JPAN..?

 

[Barch]

In the days of career SACs & JTs loads of lads binned their FMT600 if they had self funded their UK driving licence.

Those that had been sponsored by the RAF had no choice but to carry their FMT600.

 

[GD on Wheels]

Have times changed? If you drive an MT vehicle you would have a FMT600 and a 600A for airfield driving.

 

[Rugby-Jock-Lad]

Need them to justify their jobs and that is it!!! Extra "traditional" stuff that HAS and ALWAYS NEEDED a good looking into.

 

[Barch]

Need them to justify their jobs and that is it!!! Extra "traditional" stuff that HAS and ALWAYS NEEDED a good looking into.

I don't know if it is still the case but in the Army you got extra pay for qualifications such as FMT600 or Radio Operator etc.

 

[Rugby-Jock-Lad]

Don't know too much about that. Brings in the argument that most A/C Techies (and Ex Tg3 on the margins) have mooted on here about certain 'Q's being a case for being payed extra. Think a half-way house was taken with extra payments for accreditation being given as a lump sum when a member of IET for example!! Never affected by AIP but I stayed away even from the accreditation one!!!!

 

[unruly1986]

Don't know too much about that. Brings in the argument that most A/C Techies (and Ex Tg3 on the margins) have mooted on here about certain 'Q's being a case for being payed extra. Think a half-way house was taken with extra payments for accreditation being given as a lump sum when a member of IET for example!! Never affected by AIP but I stayed away even from the accreditation one!!!!

If you are referring to DERR, its probably the easiest £5k I’ve had out of the RAF. There’s a daily tech rate of pay now also - not qual related.

 

[muttywhitedog]

I had this conversation with several of the 2MT Sqn personnel whilst I was their Adjt. Their response was that not having FMT600 would mean that MT could refuse to give you a hire car for any duty journey, and could also refuse to drive you there citing a lack of MTDs covering the roles that former FMT600 holders did.

Train/bus/taxi to Brize is a bitch of a journey....

 

[Talk Wrench]

I had this conversation with several of the 2MT Sqn personnel whilst I was their Adjt. Their response was that not having FMT600 would mean that MT could refuse to give you a hire car for any duty journey, and could also refuse to drive you there citing a lack of MTDs covering the roles that former FMT600 holders did.

Train/bus/taxi to Brize is a bitch of a journey....

Why?

Since when is a hire car a service registered vehicle? Not sure about the logic employed by the Drivers on this one.

 

[Spearmint]

Why?

Since when is a hire car a service registered vehicle? Not sure about the logic employed by the Drivers on this one.

Without one you are not covered by MOD Insurance?

Not sure that holds any weight though as I'm MOD, regularly require (weekly basis) a hire car and the only licence I hold is the one issued by the DVLA and not by some empire builder in a run down shack by the side of an airfield.

 

[muttywhitedog]

Why?

Since when is a hire car a service registered vehicle? Not sure about the logic employed by the Drivers on this one.

Hire cars were treated as if they were service vehicles. Just repeating what the MT world were saying when this age old argument came up. Door slammers can be just as jobsworth as a disgruntled technician who refuses to drive a service vehicle and thus puts the job of towing aircraft out of the hangar on his colleagues.

 

[ady eflog]

i know people who have thrown their F600 back across the desk due to MT being a pain in the arse, it only means they cant drive shit around camp or get dicked for shit driving jobs. Doesn't affect Hire cars anymore as they are all external contracted with insurance, hertz, eurocar etc....

 

[Talk Wrench]

Hire cars were treated as if they were service vehicles. Just repeating what the MT world were saying when this age old argument came up. Door slammers can be just as jobsworth as a disgruntled technician who refuses to drive a service vehicle and thus puts the job of towing aircraft out of the hangar on his colleagues.

Techies are by design disgruntled but generally nice people. They usually employ the disgruntled tactic to make the jobs of the Biro controllers and the fat knackers who do the 600 sigs even sh!tter than they are.

Techies. Helicopters and Aeroplanes.

Shiney's, knitting and kittens. Know your limits.

 

[StickyFingers]

Without one you are not covered by MOD Insurance?

Not sure that holds any weight though as I'm MOD, regularly require (weekly basis) a hire car and the only licence I hold is the one issued by the DVLA and not by some empire builder in a run down shack by the side of an airfield.

MOD Insurance.

I always thought the service was too big to insure so it paid everything out of its pocket. Pretty sure when we stack a jet we're not on the phone to AXA.

The go to line of someone who doesn't know their APs or Orders and doesn't fancy doing their job.

"yOu aRe nOt iNsUrEd tO dRiVe tHat!"

 

[Spearmint]

MOD Insurance.

I always thought the service was too big to insure so it paid everything out of its pocket. Pretty sure when we stack a jet we're not on the phone to AXA.

The go to line of someone who doesn't know their APs or Orders and doesn't fancy doing their job.

"yOu aRe nOt iNsUrEd tO dRiVe tHat!"

Okay Mr Pedant....for 'Covered by MOD Insurance' read 'In contravention of 'X' Order or higher level policy' so much so that if you drive a service vehicle without an F600 then decide to smash it into a tree you are on the hook for all costs incurred.

 

[StickyFingers]

So does the MOD have insurance then?

Having an order quoted at me is what I want "You can't do X, because of Y"

 

[ady eflog]

all part of the 3M's, all designed to make the easiest jobs as difficult as possible,

Movers
Medics
MT

 

[unruly1986]

So does the MOD have insurance then?

Having an order quoted at me is what I want "You can't do X, because of Y"

For white/green fleet, I don’t think they do, although I’m happy to be corrected. My understanding is that any accidents are simply paid for.

 

[spanners]

Maybe not relevant to today but back in 2004 I was going to Iraq as an Escort Driver / Convoy Commander and I had to be Q-D-B.
Whilst getting my docs signed & F600 checked by MT, they ticked the box for Q-D-B, I said that I paid for own licence and didn't want that annotation on my record. The reply was that the post required that Q and if needed, they would send me on a course to get that Q, so I just bit the bullet and accepted it. Pick your battles I think.

On another note, I was caught speeding in an MT hire car once, OIC MT threatened to remove my 600, but as I was a A/C Tower he decided that I could keep it. No idea what he said after that as I'd stopped listening to his idle threats