Sharia Law in the UK

[True Blue Jack]

Opened up a bit of a hornets nest here haven't we? As British, I think we can all agree that British law should supercede all other law while in Britain. I believe it's totally unacceptable that Sharia law is even entertained. If a Muslim woman 'strays' - will she be sentenced to stoning to death? She would be in one of their countries of origin in a Sharia court. Would we be expected to stand by and witness such an event because it was 'legal'?

Ping

You have fallen into the same trap as many others. No-one has suggested that Hadd offences (adultery, theft, etc.) should be tried by Sharia courts and their prescribed punishments (stoning, amputation, etc.) be permitted in the UK. If they tried, the European Court of Human Rights would be all over it. In reality, we are talking about marital and financial disputes, not criminal trials. Jewish courts have been doing the same for many years.

Let me be absolutely clear: if I were the Justice Secretary I would not have given Sharia courts the legitimacy they now enjoy. But I am not and they have been. Furthermore, they have been operating officially for over a year and unofficially for a lot longer, while we have all been blissfully unaware. Perhaps we should let the results speak for themselves.

 

[John Lloyd]

Opened up a bit of a hornets nest here haven't we? As British, I think we can all agree that British law should supercede all other law while in Britain. I believe it's totally unacceptable that Sharia law is even entertained. If a Muslim woman 'strays' - will she be sentenced to stoning to death? She would be in one of their countries of origin in a Sharia court. Would we be expected to stand by and witness such an event because it was 'legal'?
The more we give to the ethnic minorities and the PC brigade, the less British we become; effectively watering down our own inheritence and diluting the future for our own British children. It IS time to say no more - now. The problem we have in correcting these poor decisions is that the politicians rely on votes from immigrants (especially Labour). That's apart from the fact that I haven't come across a politician with a spine in recent years.

Ping

'The more we give to the ethnic minorities and the PC brigade, the less British we become; effectively watering down our own inheritence and diluting the future for our own British children.'

And so the great European experiment continues, Water down national and individual identity, drip by drip.

 

[Triple SA]

Cheer Up For Funk's Sake

Cheer Up For Funk's Sake

To quote from the Times article in the first post:

It has also emerged that tribunal courts have settled six cases of domestic violence between married couples, working in tandem with the police investigations.

working in tandem with the Police, so I assume that it is to stop domestic violence - is this a bad thing? Will they still find women participants chopped up in a suitcase? Not sure what the stats are for domestic muder in the UK is but I'm pretty sure it crosses all racial and religious boundaries.

Jewish Beth Din courts operate under the same provision in the Arbitration Act and resolve civil cases, ranging from divorce to business disputes. They have existed in Britain for more than 100 years, and previously operated under a precursor to the act.

Also unless I missed it (edited to add - TBJ just beat me to line of thought) but why didn't anyone comment on the above quote from the same article? Not racist though are we (islamophobic maybe), even if we are going to vote BNP...

And as for moving to a vineyard in France, do you think that racial/religious tension doesn't exist there? Don't you see the irony of moving to another country because your's is being "taken over"? Will you learn the language and immerse yourself in the community? Stop eating a full English for Breakfast? Not get a Sky dish installed?

Immigration is a thorny issue across the developed world, not just the UK. In the USA, subsitute 'islamic takeover' for a 'Mexican takeover', where as the theory goes, the Mexican illegal immigrant is coming to reclaim land lost over a Century ago.

How you poor (not monetarily obviously), pathetic, bitter, doomsayers drag your depressed selves out of the bed every morning I'll never know. Do you honestly think that this will lead to stonings in the UK? Lighten up for funk's sake...

Not standing by for incoming as I'm off to an alternative e-goat, one where we all get along nicely, because (some of) you lot depress me...

 

[paramole]

as has been said, if you live in this country then you live by the laws of this land. speak our language etc.. if we go and live in another country then we have to abide by their lawsand learn to speak their language. basics really. if we were to try and impose our laws in a foregin country then we would be laughed at and either thrown out or put in prison and forgotten about.

 

[PingDit]

Triple SA:

I think perhaps it's you who needs to 'lighten up' a bit! This, as has already been pointed out, is a forum for ideas, discussion and debate. Sometimes a line is thrown in and people bite. I find it all very amusing in the main. However, if you feel the site depresses you so much, see ya.

 

[Ex-Bay]

Sometimes a line is thrown in and people bite. I find it all very amusing in the main. However, if you feel the site depresses you so much, see ya.

However, if you feel the [site] country depresses you so much, see you sometime.

Just a thought; I think that's what most of feel about these 'immigration' issues.

DT_Xtremez_14:

 

[rest have risen above me]

as has been said, if you live in this country then you live by the laws of this land. speak our language etc.. if we go and live in another country then we have to abide by their lawsand learn to speak their language. basics really. if we were to try and impose our laws in a foregin country then we would be laughed at and either thrown out or put in prison and forgotten about.

Too bloody right they'd laugh... I think the words.... HOW SOFT ARE YOU LOT? ........would be said.

 

[Talk Wrench]

According to Sharia Law, Mickey Mouse must die.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Mouse-must-die-says-Saudi-Arabian-cleric.html


That's the level of backwardness and plain stupidity that the muslim clerics want and expect the rest of the world to adhere to.




TW

 

[laboratoryqueen]

According to Sharia Law, Mickey Mouse must die.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Mouse-must-die-says-Saudi-Arabian-cleric.html


That's the level of backwardness and plain stupidity that the muslim clerics want and expect the rest of the world to adhere to.




TW

I spotted this bit at the end and couldn't help laughing

Last month Mr Munajid condemned the Beijing Olympics as the "bikini Olympics", claiming that nothing made Satan happier than seeing females athletes dressed in skimpy outfits.

Can you imagine what the female cycling, swimming, gymnastics and any other female event would be like if all were dressed like this

 

[pie sandwich]

Can you imagine what the female cycling, swimming, gymnastics and any other female event would be like if all were dressed like this

They would wear this for the swimming. Its called a Burkini

 

[Talk Wrench]

I spotted this bit at the end and couldn't help laughing Can you imagine what the female cycling, swimming, gymnastics and any other female event would be like if all were dressed like this

Erm, if the Islamists were in charge, there wouldn't be any female events.


TW

 

[John Lloyd]

According to Sharia Law, Mickey Mouse must die.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Mouse-must-die-says-Saudi-Arabian-cleric.html


That's the level of backwardness and plain stupidity that the muslim clerics want and expect the rest of the world to adhere to.




TW

Theres a good idea for a cartoon 'Roadrunner and the clerics'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTF8JcuDg1Y&feature=related

Classic

 

[True Blue Jack]

Erm, if the Islamists were in charge, there wouldn't be any female events.


TW

TW, you're not usually this blinkered. Iran's Olympic team for 2008 included 3 female athletes, although none of them were swimmers.

And Mickey Mouse is evil. Dan Brown said so in the Da Vinci Code so it must be true. DT_Xtremez_28:

 

[PingDit]

I spotted this bit at the end and couldn't help laughing Can you imagine what the female cycling, swimming, gymnastics and any other female event would be like if all were dressed like this

Christ! Have you seen the one on the lefts make-up?

 

[laboratoryqueen]

Erm, if the Islamists were in charge, there wouldn't be any female events.


TW

True there is that point, though I also can't see many women wanting to compete if dressed as smurfette.

Back on point. The fact of Jewish courts were mentioned in the article as a matter of comparison with Sharia Law. Though a huge difference has been left out over that. There has not been a world wide expectation from the Jewish community that we all must adhere to their own beliefs and ideals. They have not made demands on us to, not simply accept their ways, but that we must conform to their lifestyles. While a lot of muslims do live their own lives and do are not fanatical about their religion or way of life, not all muslims are terrorists, but the does eem to be a large amount of prominent muslim leaders who are attemtping to have the muslim way take precedence over our own. It is that which I am against and not against the muslims themselves.

There is a place for everyone and this is not the place for that to be, this is Britain, British law and British ways. If you live in Britain then be British.

 

[John Lloyd]

Christ! Have you seen the one on the lefts make-up?

Thats not make up, thats' black eyes!

 

[laboratoryqueen]

Thats not make up, thats' black eyes!

It's not, it's Minnie mouse in disguise DT_Xtremez_17:

 

[3wheeledtechie]

Here, Here. It's about time the government (ha!) made it clearer to all immigrants.

I disagree with this comment (in the context it was made in) on the basis that most recent immigrants are grateful to be here and happy to accept British ways and customs, it is probably only a tiny minority that support the calls for Sharia law in the UK. i believe the pressure for this to come about comes from much more well established muslim communities, and a small proportion of British born muslims with fundamentalist views. We the British people must make it clear to the government that we refute these changes, and make them do their job - represent our views and enact them in parliament. IMO Labour just aren't listening and should be made to - by a swift removal from power ideally.

 

[Triple SA]

Back on point. The fact of Jewish courts were mentioned in the article as a matter of comparison with Sharia Law. Though a huge difference has been left out over that. There has not been a world wide expectation from the Jewish community that we all must adhere to their own beliefs and ideals.

The islamic worldwide community is anything but united, and I would argue that only a vocal minority want to impose an Islamic world order, or expect everyone else to conform with their beliefs. The Sharia Courts in the UK will have no more legal power than their Jewish counterparts (who have operated for over a century in the UK) - and even then UK/EU Law will still be supreme.

While a lot of muslims do live their own lives and do are not fanatical about their religion or way of life, not all muslims are terrorists, but the does eem to be a large amount of prominent muslim leaders who are attemtping to have the muslim way take precedence over our own. It is that which I am against and not against the muslims themselves.

Just a thought, but have you considered the possibility that the large amount of prominent muslim leaders ... attempting to have the muslim way are only prominent because the say exactly what the press want them to - it sells papers/advertising. Mild mannered Imam says 'I love Britain and it's culture me' is hardly going to considered newsworthy is it? Not going to appeal to the disgruntled masses, whose jobs are being taken by the (insert latest minority group here) - ________ This is not a new tactic; want coverage, say something outrageous, better yet, inflammatory. As the old saying goes 'dog bites man' is hardly news...

I agree with 3wt that the overwhelming majority of muslims are happy to live in a country where they don't get their hands lopped off for forgetting to pay for their shopping. This tiny minority is getting coverage well above their level of real influence in the muslim community and as result this skewed coverage is making some of us just a little angry.