Oops! Things you wish you'd never said.

[firestorm]

After Camorons "TINA" speech yesterday, he's made to look daft today.

Damn those pesky facts!

 

[Tubby]

Yeah because that fooking massive deficit is going to solve itself. It actually points to short term effects but in the long term they have little effect which is the justifacation for the measures taken.

The deficit is a generational problem and measures taken are teying to address that. The money red ed wants to bordow to create growth will not be made back through taxes on that growth. More false economies from labour. We need to pay our debt not increase it.

You dont give junkies higher doses of methodone, you wean them off it. In our case that means actually paying for the things we have expected from our government and cutting the excess' we dont need. Too many "disabled" benefit recipients, foreign aid, money to unions etc etc

 

[he_who_dares_rodney]

Do me a favour wife of mine sign this and take these - C Huhne
My husband made me sign for points jail him V Price.

I speak German and Russian also - Polish colleague I work with.
Hedging you bets for the next one love - me

 

[sulky]

calling my snec a cnut in the bar...she didnt like that

 

[John Lloyd]

calling my snec a cnut in the bar...she didnt like that

Was she as you described?

 

[firestorm]

Yeah because that fooking massive deficit is going to solve itself. It actually points to short term effects but in the long term they have little effect which is the justifacation for the measures taken.

The deficit is a generational problem and measures taken are teying to address that. The money red ed wants to bordow to create growth will not be made back through taxes on that growth. More false economies from labour. We need to pay our debt not increase it.

You dont give junkies higher doses of methdone, you wean them off it. In our case that means actually paying for the things we have expected from our government and cutting the excess' we dont need. Too many "disabled" benefit recipients, foreign aid, money to unions etc etc

.....erm

:S

I'm not sure if you've noticed but borrowing is actually increasing.

"Money to unions" Will that be the unions funded by the subscriptions of their members? The only public funded "unions" are those of the very highest echelons of the public sector, CACFOA and the like.

 

[Stevienics]

Shortly after being made Vol red in the 90s I was stopped by Edinburgh's best for missing a light on a roundabout (they had only just been introduced).

Policeman approached from rear of car

I wind window down

"cnuststernoon afterble"

"That'll be 3 points then, sir"

I'd like to say I gave a **** to be honest.

 

[he_who_dares_rodney]

calling my snec a cnut in the bar...she didnt like that

I called one of our major hauliers that.

He was giving it "I'm not really interested in what your saying"

He was once I pointed out I regarded him as a cock a knee ****

Smashed the phone down so hard I wrecked a keyboard.
Turned round to a dead silent office and my boss saying "can I have a word"

 

[Stevienics]

I called one of our major hauliers that.

He was giving it "I'm not really interested in what your saying"

He was once I pointed out I regarded him as a cock a knee ****

Smashed the phone down so hard I wrecked a keyboard.
Turned round to a dead silent office and my boss saying "can I have a word"

As I am in the biz, may I just add, Class.

 

[Tubby]

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/home/2012/10/taxpayers-fund-trade-unions-tune-113-million.html

Not just the higher echelons. Includes all levels including the fire service. Public borrowing is up on the projected expectations but down from historical highs, hence the defecit coming down. Personally, I would cut the fire brigade. Make it voluntary like the RNLI with a few paid staff in certain areas and train the army to do it as a peace time job. Infantry need to do some thing when not fighting wars and what better more cost effectuve way to do it. You lot could then be plumbers/taxi drivers/strippers full time.

 

[I`m Ron Burgundy?]

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/home/2012/10/taxpayers-fund-trade-unions-tune-113-million.html

Not just the higher echelons. Includes all levels including the fire service. Public borrowing is up on the projected expectations but down from historical highs, hence the defecit coming down. Personally, I would cut the fire brigade. Make it voluntary like the RNLI with a few paid staff in certain areas and train the army to do it as a peace time job. Infantry need to do some thing when not fighting wars and what better more cost effectuve way to do it. You lot could then be plumbers/taxi drivers/strippers full time.

Should infantry not be training when not fighting wars? you make them fire fighters and that'll only lead to the same thing that happens whenever you do things on the cheap: reduction of standards.

 

[firestorm]

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/home/2012/10/taxpayers-fund-trade-unions-tune-113-million.html

Not just the higher echelons. Includes all levels including the fire service. Public borrowing is up on the projected expectations but down from historical highs, hence the defecit coming down. Personally, I would cut the fire brigade. Make it voluntary like the RNLI with a few paid staff in certain areas and train the army to do it as a peace time job. Infantry need to do some thing when not fighting wars and what better more cost effectuve way to do it. You lot could then be plumbers/taxi drivers/strippers full time.

I'm really sorry you didn't get in, I'm guessing that's where the vitriol comes from?
The thing is with stats is that you can make them say whatever you want. The far right of centre taxpayers alliance fail to mention that the figure quoted is the wages paid to union officials who are employed and also do union work. In the same way taxpayers subsidise military secondary duties. This work is required by law in such areas as health and safety work, employee/employer committees and disciplinary work. Then I guess this sort of workplace, without any form of employee representation would be your cup of tea?
The fire service is facing its fare share of cuts, substantially more than the forces, so you'll get your wish there. We already have over 18 000 part timers, these people cover great swathes of the country, where the risk is low. The thing is, we struggle to recruit these people as well. You'd still not get in though as your ignorance would preclude you, as demonstrated so well by you ill thought out, crass statement.

 

[justintime129]

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/home/2012/10/taxpayers-fund-trade-unions-tune-113-million.html

Not just the higher echelons. Includes all levels including the fire service. Public borrowing is up on the projected expectations but down from historical highs, hence the defecit coming down. Personally, I would cut the fire brigade. Make it voluntary like the RNLI with a few paid staff in certain areas and train the army to do it as a peace time job. Infantry need to do some thing when not fighting wars and what better more cost effectuve way to do it. You lot could then be plumbers/taxi drivers/strippers full time.

So can you tell me where that £13 a month out of my wages goes to which Unison dues

 

[Tubby]

I am a Fairy thanks. I don't play with hoses thats a bit sudo erotic for me in a way I dont much care, but you crack on and play with hoses with other men. Dont care how you look at it, £113m is a hell of a lot for union work.

As for training infantry. They rend to live in areas of lower risk, they needs fields to run around and shout bang bang. They are ideally located for such areas and bases are sufficiently staff even during toura cover would not be streched. My brother in law was in the rifles. Spent moat of his spare time doing niff naff just to keep the busy. They did pt but not lots. It was the 6months pre tour exercises that sorted them out for a tour, so there is ample time to train them.

Keep the fire brigade for city centres only. Would not work because they want to have larger garrison towns rather than a more spread army so you wouldnt have the cover but, hey, its an idea.

Anyway. I thought you joined the fire brigade because you couldnt hack the mob or was that some body else. What was it, scary dets, scary linies, to right wing? Ahh thats it, being a barrack room lawyer you realised your calling was somewhere bully unions thrive in taking the mick out of the tax payers.

 

[sulky]

Was she as you described?

oh yes indeedy

 

[vim_fuego]

Labour....2009......well done all of you!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/data...debt-government-borrowing-data#zoomed-picture


The deficit is coming down but not as quickly as they'd hoped or promised. This is probably down to a mix of reasons including bits and bobs of incompetence, not attacking the welfare and benefits system as quickly as we'd all like them to, persistence in immoral or pointless foreign aid payments, lack of investment in grass root industries, failure to stimulate UK based manufacturing and so on...

I think they over cooked the sums when they were elected. If we manufactured and exported a great deal more than we do now the deficit would come down in a faster fashion...As a service sector nation it's going to take a lot of haircuts, gel nails and facials to get rid of what the Labour government in 2009 should have gone to prison for borrowing and spending.

 

[firestorm]

Fair play Tubby, if the hoses are too big and scary you can stick to fiddling with little bits of wire. If you want me to explain the £113M figure again, I'm happy to do so, seeing as you didn't understand it first time around.

Being a retained firefighter means dropping your full time job when paged, then attending incidents. It's not entirely suitable for infantry who would be away for long periods. You'd have to train up more people to cover and that would end up being more expensive.

I joined the fire brigade as the RAF was, well, a little bit dull. The dets weren't scary, they were few and far between and I wanted to do my job, hence having to leave to achieve that. My politics didn't play any part, though I realise the forces does attract right leaning people.
You don't understand unions and that's fine, I don't think you'd like to have your entrenched views challenged. Weak opinions forged from misinformation never stand up to scrutiny anyway.

 

[Tubby]

Pre RAF I was a member of the AEEU (before it amalgamated again) so I know unions some what better than you think. In general they are self serving and useless. Used by bully boy socialist/communist to force thier views on the government using the pretext of emplotment standards to do this. They do very little for employees at small enterprises as they wont hit the news as say british airways, fire service, train drivers etc.

£113m is still a lot of money. I dont care who they represent. That is what your subs should cover and it might stop frivolous waste. Bob crow is on how much and still lives in council supported accomodarion. Vermin like him are a drain. I do think there is a need for unions in this country hut it is down to unions why our industries are screwed. I think it was the RMT this weeks demanded either 5% or £1200 or they would strike. Absolute blackmail, olympics, give us £x's or we strike during the olympics, what an advertisement to this country that was. Other than for H&S the unions have crippled business' all so they can push there leftist veiws.

As for training troops. It would be an excellent skill to have that would be usefull when on tour. I conceed it wont happen because of how troops will be based but it doesnt mean it isnt possible. When units go on det there are still plenty left back at base.

Back on topic now, labour screwed us over and these are the repercussions for living beyond our means using foraign debts as a stimulous. We have few business' that can bring in money from abroad in the way that we need bexause of labour creating a massive state sector to artificially create employment. The only way we can increase revenue in the near term is to cut cost and increasetax. Next time you vote labour just remember your pension contributions have gone up, your families benefits are down and everything now cost more thanks to there lies and miss-management.

 

[firestorm]

<sigh> I'll give it one last try.

The money quoted is called "wages" it's what employers pay employees when they're at work. This is the money being paid to employees on secondary duty (union work). This money isn't extra money being paid out, it's what they would have been paid anyway as they are "at work". It's exactly the same as military secondary duties. I don't hear you ranting about "squandering" taxpayers money on this. I'm also glad you could see your troop firefighter idea was a non starter and too expensive. For the record (again!) I DON'T VOTE LABOUR! Also, for the record, the way we came out of the Great Depression (caused again by unregulated capitalist greed) was by increased state spending, not by making everyone skint. The Tories screwed my pension (and yours) willingly, labour would have done the same. I don't claim any benefits and I'm not rich enough to benefit from a Tory govt. I'm sure you're aware we're in a global recession and no matter what your Tory chums are telling you, Labour didn't actually screw the world economy, the financiers did, you know, the ones who fund 50% of your beloved party.

Unions aren't perfect, but they're not he sitcom version you're talking about. I've had more than my fare share of run ins with my union, in fact I'm in the middle of one now, but I'd rather have their protection than to be picked off by your Tory chums.

 

[Harry B'Stard]

I'm sure you're aware we're in a global recession and no matter what your Tory chums are telling you, Labour didn't actually screw the world economy, the financiers did, you know, the ones who fund 50% of your beloved party.

But the way that Labour ran things meant that our economy wasn't as robust when the sh1t hit the fan!

If Labour hadn't overspent on everything to try and curry favour with voters, overseen the dismantling of the FSA and Bank of England controls on the financial sector and sold off all the gold at a cheap rate I feel that our economy would be in a better position.

As for unions... I work for a large multi national company and we don't have a union. My company believe in open communication with its workers. A few workers in each part of the company meet managers to discuss issues and agree contract changes. We pay nothing for it but we are represented by them and are able to ask questions up the chain and have them answered openly... the minutes of each meeting are available for all within the company to see.

It's open, free and fair (maybe a little idealogical) but it works...

HTB