New Pay Scales

[muttywhitedog]

I read it as nobody would physically lose money, but plenty would be either marking time for a good while, or receiving insulting increases on promotion. Not good news when your pension is now linked to your earnings.

I'm glad I jumped ship before this all kicked in!

 

[Stevienics]

So how many will have their wages reduced.

Among Wg Cdr to Gp Captain, quite a bunch of them.

 

[Dan_Brown]

Transition Arrangements

No one will take a pay cut on transition to the new pay model.

An extract from the recently released doc.

 

[justintime129]

After the 3 years, or just calculating the loss due to not incrementing as many times? (Lots, in both cases, it seems!)

I mean a physical loss of money. I.e you are on £30,000 per annum today and come the 1st Apr you will receive £29,000.

 

[muttywhitedog]

See the post above yours Justin. Nobody takes a cut.

 

[justintime129]

See the post above yours Justin. Nobody takes a cut.

Read it . Also according to another post officers of a certain rank will take a cut. Surely that must be worth a legal challenge.

 

[1Referee]

Thats my interpretation too, the statement no one will take a pay cut on transition is management speak for not immediately.

This is the final humping for many, I anticipate JPA has begun to melt today for those who have the time in.

I have just under 5 years left and am now in it for education and my own future. I may even develop a glass back.

 

[justintime129]

Yet. Pay protection is only initially for 3 years. I'm currently paid more than the new level and its unlikely I'll get promoted in the next 3 years so if they remove the protection I will be facing a pay cut.

Does that 3 years take the mod outside the employment law or are they exempt anyway.

 

[busby1971]

Nothing illegal about reducing some ones salary as long as you follow the rules.

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[mad_collie]

I can't see what all the fuss is about. I'll be getting a pay increment 4 months early and it will be higher than what I was expecting.

Winner winner chicken dinner.

 

[justintime129]

Nothing illegal about reducing some ones salary as long as you follow the rules.

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If the employee refuses to accept the pay reduction he can be allowed to terminate his contract. Will the MOD allow that.

 

[Gonterseed]

If the employee refuses to accept the pay reduction he can be allowed to terminate his contract. Will the MOD allow that.

The way I understand it is that if an employee does not accept a pay reduction they are not just entitled to terminate their contract, they are entitled to redundancy. The reason for this is that pay is a major change to a contract of employment and that contract is related to the job they do. Therefore if a pay reduction is imposed on that contract then that means that the job no longer exists and must therefore be redundant.

 

[222]

New Pay Scales

We don't have an employment contract. We have Terms and Conditions of Service TaCOS. That's why employment contract law doesn't apply, ditto for ET waiting times etc...

 

[justintime129]

We don't have an employment contract. We have Terms and Conditions or Service TaCOS. That's why employment contract law doesn't apply, ditto for ET waiting times etc...

It wouldn't stop a lawyer having a go at an employment tribunal. Didn't the wraf have terms and conditions of service with regards to getting pregnant and leaving.

 

[busby1971]

We don't have an employment contract. We have Terms and Conditions of Service TaCOS. That's why employment contract law doesn't apply, ditto for ET waiting times etc...

It's not quite as simple as that, I'm pretty certain a court would accept attestation papers as a contact, then depending on how it is worded you'll have contractual entitlements whether it's mentioned in the agreement, your terms of service or policies (QRs, JSPs, APs or whatever).

With regards ET civi companies can set long notice periods if they want to, however in civi street if you don't want to stick around you can just walk, in the military you'll be AWOL, with regards the pregnancy sackings of WRAFs that was just discrimination that could no longer be objectively justified.

 

[justintime129]

It's not quite as simple as that, I'm pretty certain a court would accept attestation papers as a contact, then depending on how it is worded you'll have contractual entitlements whether it's mentioned in the agreement, your terms of service or policies (QRs, JSPs, APs or whatever).

With regards ET civi companies can set long notice periods if they want to, however in civi street if you don't want to stick around you can just walk, in the military you'll be AWOL, with regards the pregnancy sackings of WRAFs that was just discrimination that could no longer be objectively justified.

So you agree that you just can't reduce someone's wages without proper negotiation and the MOD are on a slippery slope.

 

[222]

This barrister doesn't think so...

*Remember, members of the Armed Forces do not have contracts of employment and, as such, only have access to Employment Tribunals (ETs) in limited circumstances. The vast majority of “Employment” issues are dealt with by way of a Service Complaint.

http://www.coffinmew.co.uk/mobile/index.asp?page=armedforces

And I'm sure that, as little faith as I do have in our lords and masters, they have probably scrutinised the new pay model sufficiently to ensure its enforceable and not going to fall down or be subject to legal challenge. Just like the whole AIP debacle, ultimately for all the whining and threatening of legal challenge there was as far as I'm aware everybody just had to suck it up in the end...

 

[sk8dave88]

I don't believe anyone will face a reduction in their current pay. They will go on standstill or specially determined rate of pay until promotion or the NEM pay for their level increases to a point over what they are on.

It's a terribly worded document and the 3 year protection isn't explained well in the slightest along with what if any impact that may have.

 

[justintime129]

I don't believe anyone will face a reduction in their current pay. They will go on standstill or specially determined rate of pay until promotion or the NEM pay for their level increases to a point over what they are on.

It's a terribly worded document and the 3 year protection isn't explained well in the slightest along with what if any impact that may have.

Isn't that what makes it so frustrating

 

[sk8dave88]

Isn't that what makes it so frustrating

I just think TG4 especially will have a hard time convincing SAC(T) on current level 9 that being a Cpl for the grand sum of £80 a year extra (for 2 years) is going to be a tough job.