Loss of X Factor

[Captain Kirk]

I had a chat with what I hope is a complete bullsh1tter today, and I really hope it's bravado and b0llox.

I'm out and never lost any of my med cat, so never went anywhere near the non deployable loss of X factor nightmare.

Is that a real thing, where the X factor is lost when someone is permanently downgraded? I have heard the stories but thought them just bar talk.

The interesting chat today was from a gleeful aviator type on their PAS system, totally downgraded, still PAS and no loss of X factor because of the PAS umbrella. Probably tosh, but it would be interesting to know if X factor really does get taken (not FTRS, but for medical downgrades), and if so is it true that aircrew are protected from that.

I'm a little sore that I saw a Cpl lose £800 for misplacing his weapons on Ops, when a Flt Lt got a talking to for the same offence (weapon found and handed to a TCW Sqn Ldr).

 

[Barch]

What is PAS ?

 

[Captain Kirk]

Professional Aviator Spine. A pension scheme that allows flying pay to be part of your pension.

 

[Talk Wrench]

X factor is part of the pay agreement that an individual and the RAF both signed up to so removing it from a permanently downgraded person would be legally and morally wrong.

There are people with a permanent downgrade who transfer across to FTRS and I am led to believe they lose the X factor in that scenario although I could be misinformed.

 

[Downsizer]

No removal of X factor on downgrade.

 

[Captain Kirk]

Nice one Diwnsizer. All is good then

 

[ady eflog]

why shouldn't you loose part of the X factor if your non-deployable? under NEM people are doing just that for limited deployability.

 

[Talk Wrench]

why shouldn't you loose part of the X factor if your non-deployable? under NEM people are doing just that for limited deployability.

Using that logic, should any serving female who falls pregnant also forego the X factor portion of their pay?

Should someone undergoing treatment for a cureable ailment also take a pay cut?

Should those who have been downgraded and who are facing career ending decisions be kicked in the teeth by adding a pay cut to their already shattered plans?

There's plenty of people who will never deploy so should we cut their pay as well?

 

[Downsizer]

There's plenty of people who will never deploy so should we cut their pay as well?

Who? Where? There aren't that many these days....

 

[unruly1986]

why shouldn't you loose part of the X factor if your non-deployable? under NEM people are doing just that for limited deployability.

FFS what is it with this race to the bottom? We should be supporting each other and asking for better financial rewards for deploying, not chastising those that (for the majority) are ill/injured through no fault of their own.

For info, I’m MFD, not downgraded, etc.

 

[Witty_Banter]

X-factor is to do with numerous factors of military life, not just deployment. And even if someone is MND, that doesn't mean they can't deploy - it just means that they can't deploy overseas. There are several deployments within the UK that MND personnel can be sent on.

 

[Cooheed]

why shouldn't you loose part of the X factor if your non-deployable? under NEM people are doing just that for limited deployability.

Lose. lol

 

[ady eflog]

X-factor is to do with numerous factors of military life, not just deployment. And even if someone is MND, that doesn't mean they can't deploy - it just means that they can't deploy overseas. There are several deployments within the UK that MND personnel can be sent on.

So if you get pinged for a 4 month OOA with 6 days notice because not 1 but 4 leg irons decide they have a twisted sock and don't want to go should they keep their X Factor?

 

[Barch]

So if you get pinged for a 4 month OOA with 6 days notice because not 1 but 4 leg irons decide they have a twisted sock and don't want to go should they keep their X Factor?

Remove their X Factor for the period that they should have been away, three consecutive 'twisted socks' leads to services no longer required.

 

[Witty_Banter]

So if you get pinged for a 4 month OOA with 6 days notice because not 1 but 4 leg irons decide they have a twisted sock and don't want to go should they keep their X Factor?

If they have a genuinely twisted sock then RAF Med should be looking at them for a permanent downgrade and / or discharge. If their socks are only temporarily twisted then they'll stay at the top of the DWR list and deploy as soon as practical. So they'll either either be moved to the MLD / MND pool or they'll piss people off but deploy later anyway.

They shouldn't lose X factor because, as I said before, X factor is not solely based on deploy-ability.

 

[Talk Wrench]

They shouldn't lose X factor because, as I said before, X factor is not solely based on deploy-ability.

Precisely. X factor takes into account the exigencies of service. I don't ever recall being paid overtime for all the unsocial and extra hours spent generating aircraft for our crews to fly.

Outside of the wire I get time and a half for overtime and double time should I choose to work on a Saturday or Sunday. Now that's what I call X factor.

 

[vim_fuego]

Precisely. X factor takes into account the exigencies of service. I don't ever recall being paid overtime for all the unsocial and extra hours spent generating aircraft for our crews to fly.

Outside of the wire I get time and a half for overtime and double time should I choose to work on a Saturday or Sunday. Now that's what I call X factor.

Look at you using a word I had to google!

 

[Rugby-Jock-Lad]

Look at you using a word I had to google!

"Work"??