Lax MT Procedures

[EXTCWTG3SAC]

When I drive an MT vehicle I am doing so in the belief that it has been MOT'd, Taxed and Insured. I am never shown proof of this though. Why do MT never show proof of the above to a driver of one of their vehicles? Isnt it the law to make sure all vehicles are MOT'd, Taxed and Insured before driving on public roads? Why is it when you go to MT they just hand over the keys and paperwork without proof of that vehicles legal status? And if you think that MT ensure all their vehicles are 100% legit comply with law to drive on the road think again. I remember picking a vehicle up from MT once to find its tax disc was out of date. When I went into the MT office to highlight the issue they told me they had it their sitting on the desk waiting to go into the vehicle.

Just remember guys that MT always ram it down your throats that you should always make sure you have your FMT600 and driving licence on you when you drive a service vehicle but I think it is now time to start campaigning to make sure that MT show you proof that a car is road legal before they let you drive away with it.

I demand from now on that all vehicle paperwork now comes with proof of tax, mot and insurance or I will refuse to drive a service vehicle in the course of my duty.

 

[Kryten]

When I drive an MT vehicle I am doing so in the belief that it has been MOT'd, Taxed and Insured. I am never shown proof of this though. Why do MT never show proof of the above to a driver of one of their vehicles? Isnt it the law to make sure all vehicles are MOT'd, Taxed and Insured before driving on public roads? Why is it when you go to MT they just hand over the keys and paperwork without proof of that vehicles legal status? And if you think that MT ensure all their vehicles are 100% legit comply with law to drive on the road think again. I remember picking a vehicle up from MT once to find its tax disc was out of date. When I went into the MT office to highlight the issue they told me they had it their sitting on the desk waiting to go into the vehicle.

Just remember guys that MT always ram it down your throats that you should always make sure you have your FMT600 and driving licence on you when you drive a service vehicle but I think it is now time to start campaigning to make sure that MT show you proof that a car is road legal before they let you drive away with it.

I demand from now on that all vehicle paperwork now comes with proof of tax, mot and insurance or I will refuse to drive a service vehicle in the course of my duty.

Really?????

 

[PraiseBacon]

I demand from now on that all vehicle paperwork now comes with proof of tax, mot and insurance or I will refuse to drive a service vehicle in the course of my duty.

Let us all know how that works out for you ;-)

Or, you might want to check some facts with basic research first. For example - Crown vehicles (MOD, Police, Fire etc) are exempt from paying road tax : source = https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/new-registrations-fee

A similar search will also show Crown vehicles are exempt MOT's as well (as a regular maintenance program is , apparently, in place). You can google that one yourself, the you'll find the the internet is for more than porn and moaning to people that don't care- it contains facts as well if you look for them

As for insurance - the MOD used to self insure (as to many large organizations - don't moan, perfectly legal!) - not sure if they still do - but I'm sure someone with your life skills could easily find out

Never let facts get in the way of being a way of being a whiner though ..

 

[EXTCWTG3SAC]

Let us all know how that works out for you ;-)

Or, you might want to check some facts with basic research first. For example - Crown vehicles (MOD, Police, Fire etc) are exempt from paying road tax : source = https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/new-registrations-fee

A similar search will also show Crown vehicles are exempt MOT's as well (as a regular maintenance program is , apparently, in place). You can google that one yourself, the you'll find the the internet is for more than porn and moaning to people that don't care- it contains facts as well if you look for them

As for insurance - the MOD used to self insure (as to many large organizations - don't moan, perfectly legal!) - not sure if they still do - but I'm sure someone with your life skills could easily find out

Never let facts get in the way of being a way of being a whiner though ..

I think you will find that a lot of MT vehicles are leased nowadays so they would infact be subject to MOT, Tax and Insurance. I am not talking about tanks, trucks and land rovers. I am on about MT cars, hiluxes, white vans, etc. The majority of those types of vehicles are leased!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[muttywhitedog]

If you are referring to the white fleet vehicles which are controlled by MTthen they are on lease, with the company that owns the vehicle responsible for servicing etc. The vehicles will be taken back for servicing and returned. As far as I'm aware, vehicles are exempt MOT for their first three years, and as lease cars to MT are never more than 4 years old, the issue of whether or not the car has one is irrelevant.

Can the thread be locked now the OP has had correct answers?

 

[Ronsuddes]

Let us all know how that works out for you ;-)

Or, you might want to check some facts with basic research first. For example - Crown vehicles (MOD, Police, Fire etc) are exempt from paying road tax : source = https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/new-registrations-fee

A similar search will also show Crown vehicles are exempt MOT's as well (as a regular maintenance program is , apparently, in place). You can google that one yourself, the you'll find the the internet is for more than porn and moaning to people that don't care- it contains facts as well if you look for them

As for insurance - the MOD used to self insure (as to many large organizations - don't moan, perfectly legal!) - not sure if they still do - but I'm sure someone with your life skills could easily find out

Never let facts get in the way of being a way of being a whiner though ..

In the '70s Home Office vehicles were subject to MOT - although they were exempt Road Tax the Exemption Discs were removed and replaced with a standard Tax Disc. The MTO would also be prosecuted if a leased vehicle was found to be without MOT - the Police told me they rarely check the documents of leased vehicles as they are invariably in order.

 

[FOMz]

Don't all the white fleet hire stuff have all that anyhow?

 

[EXTCWTG3SAC]

If you are referring to the white fleet vehicles which are controlled by MTthen they are on lease, with the company that owns the vehicle responsible for servicing etc. The vehicles will be taken back for servicing and returned. As far as I'm aware, vehicles are exempt MOT for their first three years, and as lease cars to MT are never more than 4 years old, the issue of whether or not the car has one is irrelevant.

Can the thread be locked now the OP has had correct answers?

Tax? Insurance? Why am I as a driver never shown documentation to prove that the vehicle that I am about to take out onto the road in the course of my duty is road legal. All well and good MT having hold of the documentation but they are not the ones who will be prosecuted if I end up in a collision and police find out that the vehicle Is not road legal.

 

[techie_tubby]

Do you ask for this info when you hire a vehicle for personal use? Stop being a thunder c*nt and grow up!

 

[muttywhitedog]

Tax? Insurance? Why am I as a driver never shown documentation to prove that the vehicle that I am about to take out onto the road in the course of my duty is road legal.

Probably because you haven't asked for it.

If you have a concern about the roadworthiness of a vehicle, speak to your MT Control. They will happily provide you with all the paperwork you require to put your mind at rest. Having spent 3+ years as a HR manager for the largest transport organisation in the RAF, I know for a fact that they have all this information readily available for anyone who would wish to check it.

 

[justintime129]

Tax? Insurance? Why am I as a driver never shown documentation to prove that the vehicle that I am about to take out onto the road in the course of my duty is road legal. All well and good MT having hold of the documentation but they are not the ones who will be prosecuted if I end up in a collision and police find out that the vehicle Is not road legal.

I drive a lease car. Never had any paperwork . Been stopped once the copper radioed control. Insurance tax not all up to date on their computer. What's the problem.

 

[Big Jock]

If you ever come to the unit where I am one of the MTTT&L staff, you would have none of these problems. I would rip your FMT600 into pieces and feed them to you. Remember 9 times out of 10 the use of a self drive car is beneficial to the user NOT the MT section. As the issue of an FMT600 is at the discretion of the MTO you would very quickly find yourself trudging about on public transport. And before you start gobbing off about your rights the system is still in place to make you travel by that method.

 

[rest have risen above me]

If you ever come to the unit where I am one of the MTTT&L staff, you would have none of these problems. I would rip your FMT600 into pieces and feed them to you. Remember 9 times out of 10 the use of a self drive car is beneficial to the user NOT the MT section. As the issue of an FMT600 is at the discretion of the MTO you would very quickly find yourself trudging about on public transport. And before you start gobbing off about your rights the system is still in place to make you travel by that method.

I don't think they issue a F600 anymore unless you are to drive something that requires a famil drive.

 

[Robby]

Just a thought

Just a thought

While I hear what is said about MT vehicles being exempt this and that etc etc. Having used a hire car to drive around Germany delivering a "superior Log IT System" we were some what 'shocked' to find out that the terms of the hire were UK only! Another colleague had an issue with Ad Blue - which was not available in germany- oops! Let me guess who would have been liable for an accident in Germany!

Don't get me started on if you don't drive a size of vehicle you need to do a fam drive every 12 months- then you pick up a hire car - which is in fact a Land Rover Discovery because that was all the local agent had! (very comfortable but the boss almost blew a fuse when he saw me pull up out side his office!) No Fam but guess what it didnt get smashed up and nobody batted an eyelid!

 

[Big Jock]

I don't think they issue a F600 anymore unless you are to drive something that requires a famil drive.

At the discretion of the MTO, FMT600's (the actual form) may still be issued. Even if it is not, as a minimum the White Fleet Training Package must be delivered to all users of light vehicles. They should also be registered on JAMES, and an FMT601 raised as a record. The term FMT600 holder is still be used. This, of course, will all change soon with the advent of Clarity, and all I can say then is god help us all, chaos will ensue, lol.

 

[Joe_90]

If you are referring to the white fleet vehicles which are controlled by MTthen they are on lease, with the company that owns the vehicle responsible for servicing etc. The vehicles will be taken back for servicing and returned. As far as I'm aware, vehicles are exempt MOT for their first three years, and as lease cars to MT are never more than 4 years old, the issue of whether or not the car has one is irrelevant.

Can the thread be locked now the OP has had correct answers?

Never more than 4 years old? You're having a laugh! We've vans twice that age. I'm confident they're MoTd though. They shouldn't be but by selecting a notoriously shoddy garage Babcocks (or whoever their sub contractors are) ensure they get the ticket.

 

[EXTCWTG3SAC]

If you ever come to the unit where I am one of the MTTT&L staff, you would have none of these problems. I would rip your FMT600 into pieces and feed them to you. Remember 9 times out of 10 the use of a self drive car is beneficial to the user NOT the MT section. As the issue of an FMT600 is at the discretion of the MTO you would very quickly find yourself trudging about on public transport. And before you start gobbing off about your rights the system is still in place to make you travel by that method.

Feed me my FMT600? You enjoy torturing fellow airmen? And you are supposed to be a SNCO?

 

[EXTCWTG3SAC]

If you ever come to the unit where I am one of the MTTT&L staff, you would have none of these problems. I would rip your FMT600 into pieces and feed them to you. Remember 9 times out of 10 the use of a self drive car is beneficial to the user NOT the MT section. As the issue of an FMT600 is at the discretion of the MTO you would very quickly find yourself trudging about on public transport. And before you start gobbing off about your rights the system is still in place to make you travel by that method.

So what you are saying is that I should have my FMT600 ripped up just because I have identified a major flaw in MT procedures? Should drivers be collecting keys to vehicles and driving them away without ensuring that he or she is happy that the vehicle is legally allowed to be on the road? We wouldn't drive on the road in our own cars if it was missing an MOT/TAX/INSURANCE so why are MT not presenting important documentation such as this to drivers of MT vehicles?

 

[Kryten]

So what you are saying is that I should have my FMT600 ripped up just because I have identified a major flaw in MT procedures? Should drivers be collecting keys to vehicles and driving them away without ensuring that he or she is happy that the vehicle is legally allowed to be on the road? We wouldn't drive on the road in our own cars if it was missing an MOT/TAX/INSURANCE so why are MT not presenting important documentation such as this to drivers of MT vehicles?

If it is such a concern, why don't you ASK the MT staff to confirm that the vehicle is MOT'd, taxed and insured before you sign for it, with you checking the paperwork at the same time to ensure that everything is current? if it is such a concern, why not be the bigger man and raise the query, rather than expect to be provided with everything and then moaning about the system when something happens?

And as for your last statment about not driving with the documentation - as of two years ago nearly half a million UK motorists received penalty points for driving without insurance, and paltry court fines averaging £300 - ‘a fraction’ of the cost of some policies - were blamed for the ‘scandal’ that saw uninsured drivers causing 130 deaths and more than 26,000 injuries a year.

 

[Big Jock]

And you are supposed to be a SNCO?

Where did you get that impression from.