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Are there benefits from working for the army, or are there more pitfalls than benefits? Do the army over promote their idiots? Are the RAF held in high regard, or do they struggle for parity at their equivalent rank?
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JHC, a positive for a career or a negative?
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As the army kick the majority of their personnel out after 22 years, you find they get promoted quicker. As long as you can accept taking orders from someone younger than you with less service, and less knowledge, then it will be fine.
In my experience of Tri-service rule by the Army, the RAF are treated like a bunch of naughty schoolkids.
In my experience of Tri-service rule by the Army, the RAF are treated like a bunch of naughty schoolkids.
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Anything with JOINT in it hasn't Applecruncher. Means you get people with the wrong priorities of pace-sticks, bullying and infantry like fitness taking priority over real engineering!!! And heavens above you do get an RAF person with the highest Rank in the section...DAH DAH..next day you will find some Army wallah miraculously promoted 1 rank above to be in charge...
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RJL,
Slightly off topic but sort of related to the OP's question.
If you are in a "Joint" environment, do you serve under Army law or RAF law? For example (hypothetically), if you refused to do PT when told by an army bod who said you had to "do it now", but you carried on repairing an important piece of RAF related kit, how would the disciplinary aspect of service be administered?
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TW.
A lot of stuff has moved from individual service regs to Joint Publications. However as we have seen recently with the Joint Publication with reference to leave (and being on call at the same time???) the Army choose to ignore these and effectively bully by means of rank the RAF into submission, again normally ensuring that they have the ranks in the "correct" positions.
As for the official line of Army or RAF law I cannot answer that one in "Joint" environments I'm afraid. I just can only bring up the Army 1-upmanship that exists which has the completely wrong priorities in a technical environment.
A lot of stuff has moved from individual service regs to Joint Publications. However as we have seen recently with the Joint Publication with reference to leave (and being on call at the same time???) the Army choose to ignore these and effectively bully by means of rank the RAF into submission, again normally ensuring that they have the ranks in the "correct" positions.
As for the official line of Army or RAF law I cannot answer that one in "Joint" environments I'm afraid. I just can only bring up the Army 1-upmanship that exists which has the completely wrong priorities in a technical environment.
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That was why I asked the question. If I were in the OP's shoes, it's one of the first things that I would wish to know.
Maybe Lilsitll can find out something?
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Unless it's something you really want to do is avoid it, at least in the RAF there is some semblance of fairness and respect. I always found that there are too many people in the Army who are political and petty, and they normally have rank with it.
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We do in the RAF mostly. They don't. Can I ask what environment you work in ERT???
Maybe trade differences......
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In my experience they just like to be in charge rightly or wrongly. They kick and scream stamp their feet till they are. OC and OC Eng JHF in afghan rotated between army raf navy and the odd marine. WO was always army, never saw any other, they always had a hard on for something, trouser twists was my favourite. I wear them anyway but the fact he'd chew lads out for using the ties in trousers was amazing.
One OC eng was an army major. Only eng'd on fecking tanks. No aviation experince what so ever. He came round chatted to us told us we were the Merlin experts and he'd do everything to help us. So He cancelled a Dstate for an exhaust seal that fell apart during an engine removal. It takes 12-24 for the glue to set properly on figment. The cab was dead for two days anyway, if we had received it when we were going to it would of flown on the third day as planned. He downgraded it because there was to many Merlin dstates, Brize was overloaded and it was only an oring and it would arrive the next day. His train set his decision. He thought we were taking the biscuit. No really needing the bits that urgently but just putting them on Dstate regardless. He got made to look aright idiot over that when we had an aircraft that couldn't fly. OC jhf (RAF) asked why the aircraft was not serviceable when it was only down for two days max. Our WO told him someone down grade a Dstate. He asked who, our WO said you'll need to ask OC eng! Apparently OC eng was taken to one side after the meeting!
Glad I'm off jointery. Idiots the lot of them.
One OC eng was an army major. Only eng'd on fecking tanks. No aviation experince what so ever. He came round chatted to us told us we were the Merlin experts and he'd do everything to help us. So He cancelled a Dstate for an exhaust seal that fell apart during an engine removal. It takes 12-24 for the glue to set properly on figment. The cab was dead for two days anyway, if we had received it when we were going to it would of flown on the third day as planned. He downgraded it because there was to many Merlin dstates, Brize was overloaded and it was only an oring and it would arrive the next day. His train set his decision. He thought we were taking the biscuit. No really needing the bits that urgently but just putting them on Dstate regardless. He got made to look aright idiot over that when we had an aircraft that couldn't fly. OC jhf (RAF) asked why the aircraft was not serviceable when it was only down for two days max. Our WO told him someone down grade a Dstate. He asked who, our WO said you'll need to ask OC eng! Apparently OC eng was taken to one side after the meeting!
Glad I'm off jointery. Idiots the lot of them.
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In my experience, jointery with th Navy is ok, jointery with the Army is fecking awful.
I'll have a look. I'm not P1 Q'd but I think it would depend on location and 'crime.' MAA is definitely a local thing and could be dealt with entirely locally regardless of Service. I think a charge would need to go to RAF Legal for approval. I'll have a nosy and confirm.