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FairyGoodGuy
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How can there be a god with all the terrible things that are happening in this world ??? The recent Hunter Crash and the 15 year old boy shot dead in Moss Side, is he real or just a very big hoax ????
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Buphoonery
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God is a figment of your imagination, the bible - the greatest fairy story ever written - it's people of all faiths just wanting to cling onto the notion that there is somewhere better once you fall off your perch - you are all worm food - unless you get torched........simple as that. Although if you can prove that he exists I'm open to change.
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Perhaps you could ask all of these questions at your stations "understanding islam" training days which are, according to sources on this site, very popular.
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katinthehat
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Dont believe in God per se - that big bearded bloke that sits on a cloud.... nah, not for me.
I do believe there is a higher being - whether that be the Paganistic mother god type of thing or aliens who have put us on here as an experiment - who can say.
I believe in a spiritualist form of "after life", not heaven & hell - we make those ourselves.
We are an energy field, as humans, and when we die, that energy cannot just dispate can it? it has to go somewhere.... where? who knows!
Just my thoughts, Im married to a Jedi so what do you expect???????
I do believe there is a higher being - whether that be the Paganistic mother god type of thing or aliens who have put us on here as an experiment - who can say.
I believe in a spiritualist form of "after life", not heaven & hell - we make those ourselves.
We are an energy field, as humans, and when we die, that energy cannot just dispate can it? it has to go somewhere.... where? who knows!
Just my thoughts, Im married to a Jedi so what do you expect???????
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wgaf
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Personally speaking I can't see there being any sort of god, it's a myth perpetuated by the various churchs so they can hold onto their wealth/power. Inclined to agree with Buphoonery here once you kark it thats it!
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katinthehat
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Anyhow - religion is the cause of the majority - if not all - of the major wars in the worlds history.
However, one point I have made to people I know and they agreed - it doesnt matter whether you are agnostic, catholic, muslim, or atheist - in times of great need, we all pray to something - maybe a pint , but to something all the same. Is that because we are indoctrinated from an early age? Or just a case of clutching at straws???
However, one point I have made to people I know and they agreed - it doesnt matter whether you are agnostic, catholic, muslim, or atheist - in times of great need, we all pray to something - maybe a pint , but to something all the same. Is that because we are indoctrinated from an early age? Or just a case of clutching at straws???
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Buphoonery
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Were all those pints Holy? - still don't believe though - had a god awful headache though
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B's_gal
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Organized churches are nothing but corporations now. Money, money, money. Picking the pockets of little old ladies. I hope that we exist after this life, but if we don't, I'll never know will I? Maybe I could make an appearance on Most Haunted! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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grumpy sumpy
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I am not an atheist but hate organised religion.
Wandering around the basilicas in Rome, draped in gold and jewels raped and pillaged from South America hammered it home to me how corrupt and hypocritical mans barstuardisation of religion can be.
Is there a God? I hope so but if he really is the type of bloke that would banish me to hell for not worshiping him every Sunday, then I would rather take my chances.
Wandering around the basilicas in Rome, draped in gold and jewels raped and pillaged from South America hammered it home to me how corrupt and hypocritical mans barstuardisation of religion can be.
Is there a God? I hope so but if he really is the type of bloke that would banish me to hell for not worshiping him every Sunday, then I would rather take my chances.
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A mate of mine who was born into an Islamic family and as a briton, was taught islam, said these words after his sister was caught up in the 7/7 bombings.
" Those f@cking idiot's ain't islamic, I should f@ckin know, I am British, but those cnuts won't let me be. Anyway, religion is for people who have something missing in their lives. A bit like drug users take drugs cos it makes 'em feel good. What the f@ck do they think they will achieve? absolutely f@ck all. They nearly killed my sister. that's not f@ckin islam. They should all just f@ck off and leave us alone, yes I like my whiskey and smokes, I watch porn and my girlfriend is American. I am British and f@cking proud, but I won't eat bacon cos it tastes like sh1t, but that's a personal choice, not cos of islam, maybe it's because it was the way i was brought up. The same way you don't like tripe and onions."
I hold the utmost respect for my mate. A true Brit and muslim, with a realistic attitude towards life and religion.
And his use of the F word? Well he's from E17
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" Those f@cking idiot's ain't islamic, I should f@ckin know, I am British, but those cnuts won't let me be. Anyway, religion is for people who have something missing in their lives. A bit like drug users take drugs cos it makes 'em feel good. What the f@ck do they think they will achieve? absolutely f@ck all. They nearly killed my sister. that's not f@ckin islam. They should all just f@ck off and leave us alone, yes I like my whiskey and smokes, I watch porn and my girlfriend is American. I am British and f@cking proud, but I won't eat bacon cos it tastes like sh1t, but that's a personal choice, not cos of islam, maybe it's because it was the way i was brought up. The same way you don't like tripe and onions."
I hold the utmost respect for my mate. A true Brit and muslim, with a realistic attitude towards life and religion.
And his use of the F word? Well he's from E17
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I'm no great believer in God, but there's plenty of people out there who are and they deserve a bit of respect, as long as they aint the nutter type who have God telling them what to do that is.
As for organised churches being corporations, they always have been. I take it your mainly talking about certain branches of the Christian Church, history shows that they seem to be a bit more 'whats in it for me' than most other religions. That said the Church provides many (including non-believers) with comfort and a sense of community. We may not go there every day, but we christen our children, tie the knot and say farewell to those we've lost under the roof of Church and Chaple.
The great schism of 1054 saw the division of Chalcedonian Christianity into Western Catholisism and Eastern Orthodoxy. 50 years later Pope Urban II sought to reunite the two by calling for the First Crusade, the first big ding-dong between Christianity and Islam. For good measure, on their way through Europe the Crusaders also prosecuted the Jews, putting many to the sword. The carnage, bloodshed and torture continued for 200 years, and still has repercusions today. The one, very sad point is that the God on both sides is the same bloke, and the majority of the protagonists were fighting for land or loot, with religion being used as the excuse.
I'ts a great shame that the Jewish, Chrisian and Muslim communities can't celebrate their similarities in sharing the same god; then again it's an even bigger shame that they can't even tolerate the many differing factions within each religion.
As for organised churches being corporations, they always have been. I take it your mainly talking about certain branches of the Christian Church, history shows that they seem to be a bit more 'whats in it for me' than most other religions. That said the Church provides many (including non-believers) with comfort and a sense of community. We may not go there every day, but we christen our children, tie the knot and say farewell to those we've lost under the roof of Church and Chaple.
The great schism of 1054 saw the division of Chalcedonian Christianity into Western Catholisism and Eastern Orthodoxy. 50 years later Pope Urban II sought to reunite the two by calling for the First Crusade, the first big ding-dong between Christianity and Islam. For good measure, on their way through Europe the Crusaders also prosecuted the Jews, putting many to the sword. The carnage, bloodshed and torture continued for 200 years, and still has repercusions today. The one, very sad point is that the God on both sides is the same bloke, and the majority of the protagonists were fighting for land or loot, with religion being used as the excuse.
I'ts a great shame that the Jewish, Chrisian and Muslim communities can't celebrate their similarities in sharing the same god; then again it's an even bigger shame that they can't even tolerate the many differing factions within each religion.
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JAFAD666 said:
Stone the heretic, follow the gourd
DT_Xtremez_28:I believe in a destiny through choice, when confronted with a decision you weigh up the pros and cons, the right and wrong and it is this sense or value of good and bad that is Gods influence upon you.
As a Jew - I'm one of the chosen people, not chosen for favour or divine access or wisdom but to honour my ancestors covenant of faith and act as a beacon of hope, charity and resolve in the face of sin and adversity. I've made many personal and professional sacrifices based on doing the right thing as defined by the teachings of my faith.
Without such faith then I would be no better than an animal, born to give into my base instincts and drives for my own personal pleasure.
In truth we all observe the teachings of the book as the very foundation of civil law is based upon the 10 commandments.
As for the book itself - yes it is great fiction if all you do is read and memorise rote. it is the same as saying 'Moby Dick' is about a geezer trying to kill a whale! The real story and message is in the subtext and its the interpretation of this that leads to all the conflict.
As a Jew - I'm one of the chosen people, not chosen for favour or divine access or wisdom but to honour my ancestors covenant of faith and act as a beacon of hope, charity and resolve in the face of sin and adversity. I've made many personal and professional sacrifices based on doing the right thing as defined by the teachings of my faith.
Without such faith then I would be no better than an animal, born to give into my base instincts and drives for my own personal pleasure.
In truth we all observe the teachings of the book as the very foundation of civil law is based upon the 10 commandments.
As for the book itself - yes it is great fiction if all you do is read and memorise rote. it is the same as saying 'Moby Dick' is about a geezer trying to kill a whale! The real story and message is in the subtext and its the interpretation of this that leads to all the conflict.
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Talk Wrench said:
Strikes me the Panzer Pope has the inside line on understanding Islam. that and that old emporer guy who said "slam brings nothing but evil"
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gemarriott
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I go to church for hatching, matching and despatching. Won't go to a remembrance service in a church since attending one in 1986 held by a CND priest who made us all out to be murderers. I go to the parades and wait outside the church now.
I think religion or belief in god is a probably a good thing I think organised religion is a crock of sh1t, be it christian, muslim, hindu or jew they are all nothing but global organisations now and ,ust for finance and power has overcomes the duties of car and compassion.
Me? I'll snuff it and then I'll feed a few worms. If there is anything beyond I'll find out when I get there.
I think religion or belief in god is a probably a good thing I think organised religion is a crock of sh1t, be it christian, muslim, hindu or jew they are all nothing but global organisations now and ,ust for finance and power has overcomes the duties of car and compassion.
Me? I'll snuff it and then I'll feed a few worms. If there is anything beyond I'll find out when I get there.
Nun Who Saved Jews in WWII Is Beatified
Nun Who Saved Jews in WWII Is Beatified
It seems to me that regardless of what God you believe in its your faith that matters, this woman was selfless to the extreme and put aside religious differences just to save her fellow man....I'm not at all religious (and not catholic) but can appreciate what this human being did in not turning her back on another faith. May HER God keep her and treasure her for eternity. I hope, if ever needed, that there is someone like her out there who would do the same for me regardless of my faith and my sins..... AZ
BUDAPEST, Hungary (AP) - A Hungarian nun who helped save the lives of dozens of Jews during World War II was beatified Sunday in a Mass attended by thousands.
Sara Salkahazi was killed by the Arrow Cross - the Hungarian allies of the Nazis - on Dec. 27, 1944, for hiding Jews in a Budapest building used by her religious order, the Sisters of Social Service.
The order is credited with saving the lives of some 1,000 Jews during the Holocaust; about 100 were aided by Salkahazi herself.
Her beatification proclamation, issued by Pope Benedict XVI, was read out by Cardinal Peter Erdo, Hungary's Primate and Archbishop of Esztergom-Budapest, during a Mass outside St. Stephen's Basilica.
[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif](AP) Hungarian priests pray in front of a giant picture showing Hungarian nun Sara Salkahazi
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[/FONT]"She was willing to assume risks for the persecuted ... in days of great fear," Erdo said. "Her martyrdom is still topical ... and presents the foundations of our humanity "
Salkahazi was taken along with several other occupants of the home and shot, their bodies falling into the Danube River and never recovered. Details of her death were revealed only in the 1967 trial of some Arrow Cross henchmen.
The beatification was the first in Hungary since 1083, when Hungary's first king, St. Stephen, was beatified along with his son, St. Imre, and St. Gellert, an Italian bishop who had a key role in converting Hungarians to Christianity.
Salkahazi's deeds were recognized in 1972 by Yad Vashem, Israel's Holocaust memorial, at the behest of the daughter of one of the Jewish women killed with her.
Some 550,000 Jews and 50,000 Roma died during the Holocaust in Hungary. Historians say one-third of all the victims killed by the Nazis in the Auschwitz concentration camp were Hungarian.
[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif](AP) An undated black-and-white photo handed out by the Hungarian Catholic Church showing Sara...
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People beatified by the Roman Catholic Church are given the title of "Blessed" and are considered to be able to intercede on behalf of those who pray in their name. Beatification is sometimes the first step to sainthood.
Salkahazi was born May 11, 1899, into a middle-class family in the city of Kassa at the time in Hungary but now known as Kosice and part of Slovakia.
She was in her late 20s when she discovered her religious calling. Earlier, she had been engaged to marry and worked as a bookbinder, journalist and newspaper editor.
She is the first Hungarian to be beatified who is not royalty or a member of the aristocracy.
"I know from personal experience ... how dangerous and heroic it was in those times to help Jews and save them from death," Rabbi Jozsef Schweitzer said during the Mass. "Originating in her faith, she kept the commandment of love until death." Changes introduced by Pope Benedict XVI again allow beatification rites to be held around the world, instead of just in the Vatican, as was the norm for centuries.
Nun Who Saved Jews in WWII Is Beatified
It seems to me that regardless of what God you believe in its your faith that matters, this woman was selfless to the extreme and put aside religious differences just to save her fellow man....I'm not at all religious (and not catholic) but can appreciate what this human being did in not turning her back on another faith. May HER God keep her and treasure her for eternity. I hope, if ever needed, that there is someone like her out there who would do the same for me regardless of my faith and my sins..... AZ
BUDAPEST, Hungary (AP) - A Hungarian nun who helped save the lives of dozens of Jews during World War II was beatified Sunday in a Mass attended by thousands.
Sara Salkahazi was killed by the Arrow Cross - the Hungarian allies of the Nazis - on Dec. 27, 1944, for hiding Jews in a Budapest building used by her religious order, the Sisters of Social Service.
The order is credited with saving the lives of some 1,000 Jews during the Holocaust; about 100 were aided by Salkahazi herself.
Her beatification proclamation, issued by Pope Benedict XVI, was read out by Cardinal Peter Erdo, Hungary's Primate and Archbishop of Esztergom-Budapest, during a Mass outside St. Stephen's Basilica.
[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif](AP) Hungarian priests pray in front of a giant picture showing Hungarian nun Sara SalkahaziFull Image
[/FONT]"She was willing to assume risks for the persecuted ... in days of great fear," Erdo said. "Her martyrdom is still topical ... and presents the foundations of our humanity "
Salkahazi was taken along with several other occupants of the home and shot, their bodies falling into the Danube River and never recovered. Details of her death were revealed only in the 1967 trial of some Arrow Cross henchmen.
The beatification was the first in Hungary since 1083, when Hungary's first king, St. Stephen, was beatified along with his son, St. Imre, and St. Gellert, an Italian bishop who had a key role in converting Hungarians to Christianity.
Salkahazi's deeds were recognized in 1972 by Yad Vashem, Israel's Holocaust memorial, at the behest of the daughter of one of the Jewish women killed with her.
Some 550,000 Jews and 50,000 Roma died during the Holocaust in Hungary. Historians say one-third of all the victims killed by the Nazis in the Auschwitz concentration camp were Hungarian.
[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif](AP) An undated black-and-white photo handed out by the Hungarian Catholic Church showing Sara...Full Image[/FONT]
People beatified by the Roman Catholic Church are given the title of "Blessed" and are considered to be able to intercede on behalf of those who pray in their name. Beatification is sometimes the first step to sainthood.
Salkahazi was born May 11, 1899, into a middle-class family in the city of Kassa at the time in Hungary but now known as Kosice and part of Slovakia.
She was in her late 20s when she discovered her religious calling. Earlier, she had been engaged to marry and worked as a bookbinder, journalist and newspaper editor.
She is the first Hungarian to be beatified who is not royalty or a member of the aristocracy.
"I know from personal experience ... how dangerous and heroic it was in those times to help Jews and save them from death," Rabbi Jozsef Schweitzer said during the Mass. "Originating in her faith, she kept the commandment of love until death." Changes introduced by Pope Benedict XVI again allow beatification rites to be held around the world, instead of just in the Vatican, as was the norm for centuries.
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I have had a thought I would like to share, Men and Women are the 2 worst behaved alien races in this galaxy. The rest of them got a little p!ssed off with our behaviour and our punishment was to be dumped us out on the edge of a spiral arm, genetically engineered to require each other for procreation.
On the other hand, watching Battlestar Galactica I now think we may be the 13th colony of humans and those b@stards on Galactica are leading the bloody Cylons straight to us !!!
I've been told I watch to much TV. What do you think ??
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On a serious note though Jews, Christians and Muslims share a lot of holy places and a lot of beliefs. Do extremist's feel threatened by the similarities of the other religions ? I feel perhaps it should lead more towards an attitude of brotherhood, but I am probably being naiive.
Now that they have firebombed churches in the UK, surely it is time for a measured response. Find all those Muslims who felt the need to shout at the worshippers on Sunday and deport them to the Sharia ruled nation of their choice.
Their abuse is something which would never have been tolerated had Christians been shouting at Muslims outside a Mosque. Time for a little fair play from our leaders to their voters !
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On the other hand, watching Battlestar Galactica I now think we may be the 13th colony of humans and those b@stards on Galactica are leading the bloody Cylons straight to us !!!
I've been told I watch to much TV. What do you think ??
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On a serious note though Jews, Christians and Muslims share a lot of holy places and a lot of beliefs. Do extremist's feel threatened by the similarities of the other religions ? I feel perhaps it should lead more towards an attitude of brotherhood, but I am probably being naiive.
Now that they have firebombed churches in the UK, surely it is time for a measured response. Find all those Muslims who felt the need to shout at the worshippers on Sunday and deport them to the Sharia ruled nation of their choice.
Their abuse is something which would never have been tolerated had Christians been shouting at Muslims outside a Mosque. Time for a little fair play from our leaders to their voters !
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TheHogwartsBEngO
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Buphoonery said:
God would refuse to prove that he exists because proof defies faith and without faith, He is nothing.