Bolshie rocks

[Tin basher]

Seems the rocks aren't best pleased with their lack of utilisation in the Kabul airport pull out. (All allegedly of course)

RAF commander is blasted by officers who said he had 'no clue'

Air Chief Marshal Sir Mike Wigston, the head of the RAF, has been accused of damaging morale and showing a lack of moral courage by members of the RAF Regiment.

www.dailymail.co.uk

"Air Chief Marshal Sir Mike Wigston, the head of the RAF, has been accused of damaging morale and showing a lack of moral courage by members of the RAF Regiment. The attack came in a letter signed by 63 senior and junior non-commissioned officers serving in the regiment's No 1 Squadron based at RAF Honington in Suffolk.......It describes the failure to use the RAF Regiment in Afghanistan as an 'embarrassment' and proof that Air Chief Marshal Wigston had 'no clue' how to use the RAF Regiment, "

So have we really got 63 rock NCO's who all think the same thing and have had the minerals to sign, number, rank, name on the paper.

 

[StickyFingers]

Fully understand where they are coming from, what's the point in existing when they can't get to do 'Their' job?

Then again I'm sure all the guys and girls here who have served in the joint environment know just how loud the Army shout and have a tendency to get their way.

 

[Talk Wrench]

So have we really got 63 rock NCO's who all think the same thing and have had the minerals to sign, number, rank, name on the paper.

They'd better be careful. CAS and CASWO might punish them with starring roles in this year's Christmas message.

 

[Oldstacker]

But are the rocks declared to 16 Air Assault Brigade who had the lead role for ground Ops at Kabul? If not, then maybe the rocks should be asking why not or perhaps CAS offered them but the Paras declined the additional resources. Ultimately the composition of a particular 'in theatre' force package is not a single service decision but a PJHQ one with the delegated force commander (in this case OC 16 AA Bde) having a big say. Much of the jointery activity in recent years has been focussed on having prepared joint force packages available for rapid deployment - where do the rocks sit in those? Have they exercised their role as part of bigger package?

As a complete aside, does anyone know what trades were on the ground in Kabul during the evacuation? Is there a recruiting opportunity for some trades?

 

[fourteen2two]

CAS will be cross Possibly not a good career move for the ncos.
Paras seemed to do a pretty good job along with our aircrew and of course all the support staff keeping the jets flying.

 

[Downsizer]

Here is the letter

OC 1 Sqn
Raf Honington
Bury St Edmunds
Suffolk
IP31 1EE
Sir,
I have no doubt you are aware of the ongoing mobilisation of 600 troops in support of Op Pitting and the withdrawal of British nationals from Afghanistan. Their primary role in this is to provide Force Protection for Kabul Airfield to directly support Air Assets while they are conducting the withdrawal. It has caused a great deal of upset and disappointment amongst the ranks within the RAF Regt that feel once again our Corps has not been utilised to fulfil the sole propose of its inception in 1942. This is the latest in a long line of operations that the RAF Regt have been passed over for.
45 commando RM currently occupy the FOB in **** supporting Air Assets assigned to **** and ****. This job was coined the RAF Regt job and was Recci’ed and advised upon by Flt Lt **** during the 1 Sqn Shader commitments in 2018. The tasking was rejected by the Royal Air Force and eventually went to the RMs. However, they were unprepared for this task and had to qualify an entire unit in using the Foxhound, dismounts, DMIs, Mechanics, drivers and commanders. Worse still they also utilised their exchange Sgt (Sgt **** RAF Regt) to train their troops in CAGE based tactics while operating around Air frames. All this while 1 Sqn stood at readiness with both Air aware DCCT troops and AVW Foxhound Drivers, Commanders, Top covers, crews, DMIs, mechanics, with the experience and skill set to take this task without any additional training burden to the Sqn.
Before this the army took ownership of the rotary FP on Op Toral providing Force protection for NATO advisors via Kabul security forces/Kabul protection Unit. Once again establishing themselves as Air minded troops that can operate within the CAGE environment.
We, as a Force Protection element, currently hold a commitment to the AMPT taskings, however we do not hold ownership of this. The teams of Gunners currently aligned to this tasking from 2 Sqn are being led by the RAF Police. It is beyond my comprehension that the lead on this tasking is taken from BCCT troops. It once again demonstrates a lack of understanding from Air to the Land doctrine and of the roles and capabilities of the RAF Regt; this is an issue that has been passed up on multiple occasions and nobody can provide an answer to why the RAF Police have the lead on this.
As it stands the only enduring commitment the RAF Regt holds is Op Erasmus. An on Base security detail where the main task is policing the Air Base, checking buildings are secure and assisting MPGS with Guard duties. How have the roles of the RAF Regt and the RAF Police become switched? This job alone has had and will continue to be a source of retention issues.
With the publicity that has been given to this current Op it has shown the entire military and the public that our role is now redundant. With 2 Para and 16 Air Assault taking the lead on Air FP in a hostile theatre and providing protection against both high- and low-tech threat attacks, it has effectively killed the relevance of our Corps. I believe this to be a failing of the Command elements within the RAF Regiment and a lack of understanding of his own forces needs and capacities from Air Chief Marshal Sir Mike Wigston.
The failings from within the RAF Regiment comes in two forms; firstly, their failure to own and protect their own doctrine on how Air FP MUST be conducted. The fact that we follow doctrine from Land on all things DCCT and hold no standalone doctrine in how AIR specific soldiering and CAGE FP should be carried out means, we have left this door open to any DCCT unit to adopt the roll as and when it is deemed necessary without the need for any specialist training. This effectively deems our role irrelevant. Had we owned the policies with Air and had the CAS implemented his own FP for his Air Assets ensuring that Air Assets couldn’t deploy to high threat areas without the employment of the CAGE specialists, we would find our self a key component of Air Power moving forward and embedding ourselves within the Air operations model for the forceable future. As it stands, all Air require is a form of FP and it is apparent they care very little who provides this.
The Lack of doctrine has led to the CAS having no clue in how to implement his own resources, he has shown this time and time again with Air Assets conducting Ops globally with no specific Air FP measures in place. We currently have rotatory assets in Mali with Infantry units sat in the back providing FP on MERT with the tricky C/S. On top of this the F35 has launched with the Navy Battle Group and will receive no FP when landing away from the carriers, relying on the protection of host nations instead of its own FP measures it so desperately requires in the UK on Op Erasmus.
There is clearly no voice from FPHQ that has the moral courage to fight for the viability and survival of the RAF Regt and the gulf between the troops on the shop floor and the commissioned ranks has never been greater. This is just another failing in a long list of issues currently facing the RAF Regt and its inability to maintain its own standards and relevance.
I personally find this upsetting; distressing and I’m embarrassed by the lack of action from the senior command elements lack of action and short-sightedness and secondly with The Royal Air Forces’s attitude towards risk. It is very clear we work for a risk-averse organisation. The management from the top is one of self-preservation, over actual deliverables and doing what is best for the Corps and wider Air Force.
I know I’m not alone in feeling like this and have compiled some comments from the Non-Commissioned ranks of 1 sqn. (annex A) There are a lot of people who share these views and feel let down by their Regt and the RAF. I know this to have had a detrimental effect on morale, that was already low, and believe it will directly correlate to uptake in ETs and re-trades.
The main questions that have came from the shop floor are;
• Why as a unit whose sole reason for formation in 1942 was this very job are we not being utilised?
• Why do the RAF police have the lead on the DCCT taskings (AMPT) yet have nothing to do with Op Erasmus a BCCT Task?
• What future role do you see the RAF Regt having now 2 PARA have proven they can adopt “our role” at short notice and air can deploy without FP on board?
• The RMs own their own doctrine for amphibious FP that is understood and utilised by the command elements of Royal Navy, why do we not have our own and why is our role not understood by the wider RAF?
• With the Army creating the Ranger Regiments and the RMs implementing the Future Commando Force, why has the RAF Regiments top brass done nothing to keep us current and indispensable to Air power 2025?
• How do the RAF police aid us as a Force Element or is this the pre-curser to the RAF Regt and RAF Police becoming a on base home front security force?
• Why do we have to dual qualify on DCCT and AVW annually conducting twice the training burden, twice the time away from family, have no structured timetable for any period of time greater that 8 weeks, when we are never going to be utilised and other units can qualify for taskings as they arise?
• What carrots (Courses, FD, AT, Overseas exercises) do we have as a Sqn to keep us on 1 Sqn and in the Regt?
• We now have a Regt of “Air aware troops” that have less operational experience operating in the CAGE & counter SAFIRE patrolling than; 16 air assault, 2 and 3 para and 45 Commando. How can we be credible SMEs in the delivery of Air minded FP to the RAF if we aren’t the most current or even credible?
I felt this to be my duty to raise the points and concerns of both myself and the members of 1 Sqn RAF Regt and also believe we should be given guidance and direction from the CG, so we can make informed decisions on our careers and our futures within the RAF Regt. I would be happy to discuss the above raised points in greater detail. I look forward to hearing your response and thoughts on the raised concerns.
Regards
Sgt ****
Co Signatures
Sgt ***, Sgt ****, Sgt ****, Sgt **** , Cpl ****, Cpl ****, LCPL ****, SAC ****, SAC ****, SAC ****, SAC **** SAC ****, SAC ****, SAC ****, SAC ****, SAC ****, SAC ****, SAC ****, SAC ****, SAC ****, SAC ****, SAC ****, LCPL ****, SAC ****, LCPL ****, SAC ****, SAC ****, SAC ****, LCpl ****, CPL ****, L/CPL ****, L/CPL ****, L/CPL ****, LAC ****, CPL ****, LAC ****, SAC ****, LAC ****, SAC ****, SAC ****, LAC ****, LAC ****, LAC ****, LAC ****, LAC ****, SAC ****, LAC ****, LAC ****, LAC ****, LAC ****, SAC ****, SAC ****, SAC ****, LAC ****, L/CPL ****, L/CPL ****, LCpl **** SAC ****, SAC ****, SAC ****, Sac ****, SAC ****

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[Downsizer]

And the annex

Annex A
Points raised by troops of 1 sqn
• I have been told over and over again we are Air FP specialists, specialising in expert Force protection for UK Aircraft and personnel. Force protection is our ‘bread and butter’ yet we do not ever seem to get the force protection jobs, the Army/Marines get them. For example:
**** – 45 commando – utilising foxhound armoured vehicles which we have personnel trained in. RM callsign had to train all their personnel for deployment and we were good to go!!
Mali – Army providing force protection for RAF Chinooks
Kabul – Para reg providing force protection for UK air assets and conducting NEO taskings
• Why am I putting my body on the line, risking injury going on and passing arduous courses, trying to be the best that I can be for my Corps, for nothing. I can get out and join an infantry unit within the British Army and do my job. I joined because I was sold a lie at the AFCO I am yet to do anything in my so far short career that I was told I would do when I joined up or went through basic training.
• Understand that the RAF Regiment is part of the RAF but the RAF needs to realise we are different and they need us to be different. We have to be highly trained in infantry tactics to give them the protection they require and where necessary take life to protect theirs. The RAF doesn’t understand this it seems and are too risk averse do not want to see in the headlines airman injured or airman killed.
• The RAF Regiment is moving closer and closer to the RAF yet there is no flex or movement from the RAF to move closer to understanding us.
• The arduous basic training we go through is a waste of tax payers money. The courses I go on and the high levels of training I conduct yearly is a waste of tax payers money considering what I do!
• If the RAF Regiments future is conducting on base guarding taskings then we need to re-think our recruitment strategy and our training because we are lying to people, selling them a job which is not as it seems. False advertisement!!
• Senior leadership has no appetite to use us. Senior leadership not fighting our corner.
• There’s been a few lads here who have broadcasted theirs feelings to me in which I partly agree, they feel like they have been training for nothing and simply wasting their time, this is the most exciting thing that has happened to us a sqn for a good amount of time, with us just coming off Erasmus in September and every other sqn already busy it seemed a no brainer that there could be potential for us to go out and operate.
• I’ve been talking to the senior sac’s and a couple of my closer pals on the sqn about taking a different career path because since this has happened it just made us realise that the Corps is a dead end… I don’t want to rant but that’s basically what blokes feel like
• the current situation and op in Afghan being given to the army isn’t the only time that this has happened as there is many jobs that have been given to the army/marines such as Mali and the royal welsh staging on the chinook squadron which is an Air Force asset yet they stag on it. Akrotiri airfield is staged on by the army. The airfield in **** that was given to the paras and then handed to marines, not to mention the Corps was formed to defend airfields to enable the projection of air power assets. Why invest and sell the brand and of the regiment when in reality we do nothing. Train for nothing and are basically the MPGS or the RAF with all the guard and Erasmus and that is apparently the commitment that keeps the corps alive after the defence review. For lads who haven’t been away and then we get questioned on why we aren’t keen or enthusiastic about the job when stuff like this happens around us and makes us feel so useless in a way
• I will not be staying in the RAF Regiment for the longevity if this is how we get used.
• General consensus is the RAF Regiment has none or is losing its identity, no clear direction from senior leadership, no opportunities to do our actual jobs, nothing to ‘dangle the carrot’ for new gunners. Lads feel lied to and quite frankly fed up."

 

[Rugby-Jock-Lad]

And so MORE truth to power....

No doubt there will be the usual bollockings about "Chain-of-Command, conduct of an NCO, loyalty to the service" blah blah blah but ultimately this will be a vindictive riposte (to the continual failure) by the Royal Air Force Management where the saying "Yes" to the latest non-required bureaucracy and nonsense such as Woke which takes precedence over the primary job at hand. Yes we have Leadership....but let's be honest...It hasn't been very good has it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I'm sure they can threaten the SNCOs and below as much as they like, but I get the impression these personnel already have one-foot-out-of-the-door!!

 

[Oldstacker]

It will be interesting to see the response to this. The letter is quite detailed, makes specific points, is not especially disrespectful and seeks for the Sqdn to make a bigger contribution to defence 'outputs' rather than a lesser one. This is clearly a sqdn that has morale issues, the SNCOs know it has morale issues and make suggestions as to why they have morale issues; it is hard to see how, other than it becoming public, the SNCOs are failing in their duties. Although it could be dressed up as mutiny, (it's a collective complaint), it clearly has the best of intentions behind it and has no element of refusing orders.

The RAFP/Regiment dispute about the boundaries of responsibilities is an old one which the cuts of recent years have done nothing to improve.

 

[Spearmint]

To echo Vim on another thread, 'Afghan Pullout'....

Can any of them drive HGV's?

 

[Downsizer]

I think the bottom line is it took about 800 troops from 16 AA brigade.....how many field squadrons is that? And thats why the regt didn't go.

 

[UlsterExile]

I spent a full tour on a Regt Sqn, and understand fully their capabilities. If a lowly Stacker is able to understand the Regt's capabilities and yet we have the RAF SLT not even offering to put a Sqn out as the SME's on this sort of thing it begs a lot of questions over leadership in the RAF.

I for one do not wish to be taught IRT by the Army, there is a reason the RAF Regt (along with every other trade) have to sit an AST. Thinking mans solider, springs to mind.

 

[UlsterExile]

I think the bottom line is it took about 800 troops from 16 AA brigade.....how many field squadrons is that? And thats why the regt didn't go.

Could have at least sent the Sqn that is held at Readiness to give advice and guidance and act as the SME's at least!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[UlsterExile]

It will be interesting to see the response to this. The letter is quite detailed, makes specific points, is not especially disrespectful and seeks for the Sqdn to make a bigger contribution to defence 'outputs' rather than a lesser one. This is clearly a sqdn that has morale issues, the SNCOs know it has morale issues and make suggestions as to why they have morale issues; it is hard to see how, other than it becoming public, the SNCOs are failing in their duties. Although it could be dressed up as mutiny, (it's a collective complaint), it clearly has the best of intentions behind it and has no element of refusing orders.

The RAFP/Regiment dispute about the boundaries of responsibilities is an old one which the cuts of recent years have done nothing to improve.

It has always been the case, some trades need to stick to their boundaries and let specialists lead. Nothing wrong with supporting if there is a crossover but let the specialists lead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Oldstacker]

So the Army's own web page for 16AA Bde says that their role is "a battlegroup held at high readiness to deploy worldwide for a full spectrum of missions, from non-combatant evacuation ops to war fighting". (My bold). That clearly could include, in many cases, a requirement to take and hold an airhead of some description. The orbat for the Bde includes air assets (RW via JHC command) and other supporting elements such as medics but does not include any RAF Reg't elements save where they are embedded (e.g. TACPs) in other formations.

So the rocks are never going to get such tasks.

A Fd Sqdn simply isn't big enough on its own to do it, the RAF doesn't have the 'full spectrum' high readiness capabilities in sufficient strength that 16AA has and nor does it make a significant contribution to 16AA (e.g. by contributing a Fd Sqdn or 2). The rocks are right that they are trained for the role, but they have not been committed to the role by the senior leadership (or, more likely, have been excluded by the Army's senior leadership). I suspect that the shrinking of the RAF - of which the rocks are only a part - has shrunk them to the point of uselessness as an independent element for anything other than MOB defence - a role which they clearly don't want because they see it as a policing task.

When 'jointery' is the name of the game for ground operations, if you are not in a joint formation nor able to operate from a secure rear location then you, potentially, have little value as an independent organisation. I sympathise with the rocks and see why they are complaining, but have to wonder if they have fought for their independence from the Army for too long and made themselves irrelevant in the process.

 

[Downsizer]

Could have at least sent the Sqn that is held at Readiness to give advice and guidance and act as the SME's at least!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't disagree mate - simply stating the fact that is was probbaly easier (sadly) to just give it all to 16AA with its simple and recognised CoC.

 

[UlsterExile]

I don't disagree mate - simply stating the fact that is was probbaly easier (sadly) to just give it all to 16AA with its simple and recognised CoC.

Agree it was easy for the RAF SLT to do rather than fight it. Just frustrates the life out of me that we have so much capability but we are so underutilised.

while the Army do a great Job, they have very little understanding of what we do collectively and we operate as a force. That may sound a bit of a cliche but I can guarantee you speak with any SAC Gunner and they will understand where they SHOULD fit in to the big picture. I have plenty of experience in dealing with the Para's and the Army in general around Aircraft, and its scary!!!!!!!!! an SAC RAF Regt Gunner understands.

 

[Tin basher]

Most of us have only interacted with rocks during the annual guns, gas and guard training cycle and haven't worked cheek by jowl with them. I ponder on the thought that this is a plea to shine the spotlight on the RAF Regt, it's talents and potential usefulness. It may even be a worry that if others are frequently asked to carry out what they, the rocks, believe to be the Regt's role eventually in the corridors of power a high ranking, policy influencing, brown job will ask the question RAF Regt why do we need it?? This could well be a plea to save the RAF Regt. Many famous Army regiments of the line are no more after recent decades of cuts a relatively small force such as the rocks Meh. Brigadier General Mincing Nicely won't miss a wink of sleep over abolishing the RAF Regt.

 

[SAXAVORDIAN]

Horrible thought though, if they continue reducing the role for the RAF Regiment. Would the powers-that-be consider disbandment to keep the Army happy. Cannot imaging some poor squaddie hop to a Pongo for rifle training or CS gas training.

 

[SAXAVORDIAN]

Most of us have only interacted with rocks during the annual guns, gas and guard training cycle and haven't worked cheek by jowl with them. I ponder on the thought that this is a plea to shine the spotlight on the RAF Regt, it's talents and potential usefulness. It may even be a worry that if others are frequently asked to carry out what they, the rocks, believe to be the Regt's role eventually in the corridors of power a high ranking, policy influencing, brown job will ask the question RAF Regt why do we need it?? This could well be a plea to save the RAF Regt. Many famous Army regiments of the line are no more after recent decades of cuts a relatively small force such as the rocks Meh. Brigadier General Mincing Nicely won't miss a wink of sleep over abolishing the RAF Regt.

Ooo just read my mind as I typed my response.