ATC on NCAITC

[FOGHORN LEGHORN]

hope i've put this in the right place, just thought i'd get some goater's thoughts on the news that the raf are putting air traffic control trainee sergeants on the non-commisioned aircrew initial training course as they view it as just another sgt's course. would also like more info from those concerned as it's slightly confusing from a WSop point of view, got this vision of atc arriving wandering what the f**k is going on as the course is so geared up for NCA.
DT_Xtremez_21:

 

[FOMz]

No, this has been in the pipline for a while. Direct Entry ATC SNCO's will do phase 1 of the NCAITC, just like you to get qualified to Sgt level. When you go onto phase two, they will go to JATCC at Shawbury.

Hows that confusing?

 

[metimmee]

hope i've put this in the right place, just thought i'd get some goater's thoughts on the news that the raf are putting air traffic control trainee sergeants on the non-commisioned aircrew initial training course as they view it as just another sgt's course. would also like more info from those concerned as it's slightly confusing from a WSop point of view, got this vision of atc arriving wandering what the f**k is going on as the course is so geared up for NCA.
DT_Xtremez_21:

A logical move. A ready made course that is accepted (!) as a cookie cutter for young SNCOs.

 

[FOGHORN LEGHORN]

because a) we weren't told they were direct entrants and b) some of our training staff all appear a bit bemused by it which leaves cadets confused to say the least.
we've been told very little and then to hear training staff question it led me to ask for more info on the goat... cheersDT_Xtremez_14:

 

[vim_fuego]

I wonder how much they will lower the standards to get these ATC types through?

 

[FOGHORN LEGHORN]

this was one of the things I was wandering, will the standards remain the same regardless of trade? there are 4 on the next course, i get to do it again as i enjoyed it so much the first time.

 

[vim_fuego]

I had a fast-track ATC bod working for me in my last job...He would not have passed the ITC...Not in a million years.

 

[R_Squared]

I wonder how much they will lower the standards to get these ATC types through?

Deary me, your fishing skills need to improve a bit more if you expect anyone to bite that little wriggler. DT_Xtremez_31:

The important thing will be whether the new DE's will be able to dumb down enough to fit in.

I'm frankly not surprised that no one appears to know anything about the new system at the sharp end. Tis ever the RAF way.

 

[vim_fuego]

Deary me, your fishing skills need to improve a bit more if you expect anyone to bite that little wriggler. DT_Xtremez_31:

The important thing will be whether the new DE's will be able to dumb down enough to fit in.

I'm frankly not surprised that no one appears to know anything about the new system at the sharp end. Tis ever the RAF way.

You lot can have a head start on the runs and we'll cut some smaller tree's down so your pine poles don't weigh so much...DT_Xtremez_15:

 

[FOMz]

Vim, There's a big difference between a 'fast tracker' and a DE. As for Foghorn not being told they were direct entrants... does it matter that much? how many ab initio NCA guys you got on the course btw.....

 

[R_Squared]

You lot can have a head start on the runs and we'll cut some smaller tree's down so your pine poles don't weigh so much...DT_Xtremez_15:

Running about? Not unless there's a cake at the finishing line. That's that idea fcuked then.

 

[PingDit]

So, this is all news to me. Surely, if they're doing the ITC (or equivalent) only about 10% should statistically pass unless they first go through the same aircrew selection at Cranwell? Interesting.

 

[SirSaltyHelmet]

Same selection process at OASC as everyone else. They just get streamed to JATCC.

Might help a bit with the Controller first, SNCO second comments on the introduction of the fast trackers.

 

[FOGHORN LEGHORN]

just to outline my initial query, the NCAITC is so aircrew orientated I just wandered how ATC being on the course would effect the syllabus. i.e. the delivery will have to change as on the last course everything was related to being on the back of an aircraft in comms with flight crew, dealing with possible situations such as para's maybe not cooperating, having to deal with casevac's or shooting at taleban etc. The nav exercises are also very aircrew orientated, along with the fitness tests not being the standard RAF test I did at Halton and every other camp i've been to.
The course is run by aircrew (and two rock's) to produce aircrew, just wandered what effect ATC being on the course would have.
DT_Xtremez_21:

 

[FOMz]

, just wandered what effect ATC being on the course would have.
DT_Xtremez_21:

Wandering or wondering FL? DT_Xtremez_14:

 

[FOGHORN LEGHORN]

i think you know... cheers for the input thoughDT_Xtremez_30:

 

[FOMz]

Just checking the quality of our future NCA.............. and is underimpressed!!!!
DT_Xtremez_05:DT_Xtremez_05:

 

[FOGHORN LEGHORN]

Just checking the quality of our future NCA.............. and is underimpressed!!!!
DT_Xtremez_05:DT_Xtremez_05:

do we really want get onto the subject of spelling and grammar?

so anything about the actual thread topic?

 

[FOMz]

Yeah - second post.

So tell me - how would you train a DE ATC then that holds the same rank as you and requires the same basic SNCO skill and knowledge that you get taught on NCAITC? seems to me that they've got it right putting them through phase 1.

 

[FOGHORN LEGHORN]

then maybe you should address the construction of "and is underimpressed" try "and I am under impressed"

by the way this is a forum and as such people write quickly and often use incorrect spelling or grammar, but as it is a forum not an examination most people let things slide.

back onto topic

the thing is i am in no way questioning potential SNCO's being on the same course, i'm not questioning ATC being on NCAITC. i am asking how goaters who have done the course or have knowledge of the course feel it will effect the course, how fellow goaters view the relevance of alot of the things on the course to ATC.

as i have mentioned it is not just a SNCO course, it also covers and prepares students for the syllabus at 55 sqn.