Higher payband = more professionalism?

[3OCLOCKFINISH]

For all those trades that have recently joined the high payband have any of you noticed an increase in the quality and professionalism of their work? Or does it appear that they are quite happy to accept the money but not the extra weight of expectation?

This question can equally apply to those currently receiving it and also the SACs who will benefit after promotion. I know if I was an SAC with the potential of a 6k (?) payrise I'd me busting a gut to be the best I could possibly be.

 

[Mongy Muppet]

I wonder where this will end up?DT_Xtremez_42:

 

[Warwick Hunt]

This sounds like yet ANOTHER crack at TG17 being moved on to the Higher Pay Band and to be frank, it's all getting rather boring now. Get over it will you. Someone a lot higher, a lot bigger and a lot better paid than you ever will be decided we were worth it, so get used to it. Or if it perturbs you that much, you can always register your dissatisfaction by voting with your feet and leaving.

3/10 for persistence and effort to start a bunfight....AGAIN!

 

[FOMz]

No WH, I think it is a fair question........

You were the first to mention TG17 pal - remember that.

Off Topic

But while you ar on the subject - I was informed at an AMPLT Brief by a Gruppen Fuhrer that the TG17 payrise, was purely as a retention tool...

So now the RAF has closed its doors for the meantime - sounds like a drop in pay is coming your way DT_Xtremez_42:.

Off Topic

But do i think that those who have received the payrise are earning it?

No - I don't.

 

[3OCLOCKFINISH]

This sounds like yet ANOTHER crack at TG17 being moved on to the Higher Pay Band and to be frank, it's all getting rather boring now. Get over it will you. Someone a lot higher, a lot bigger and a lot better paid than you ever will be decided we were worth it, so get used to it. Or if it perturbs you that much, you can always register your dissatisfaction by voting with your feet and leaving.

3/10 for persistence and effort to start a bunfight....AGAIN!

I don't see TG17 mentioned anywhere in my post, do you?

If the pay increase has improved the performance of the trades that have recieved it then perhaps the descisions were justified, if not then I guess I'll see you all in Fight club sooner rather than later!

 

[Dragoon]

Certainly with my trade, the move onto the higher pay band had no effect on my actual workload, I'm not expected to do any more, just the range of things that I can do has expanded.

For me, and many others I know, it's just business as usual, as we've never been told anything different.

 

[Hot Shoes]

For all those trades that have recently joined the high payband have any of you noticed an increase in the quality and professionalism of their work?

Surely those trades that have been placed on the higher payband were done so because they already qualify and not because the heiracy want them to achieve those standards you desire.

Just my thoughts,

 

[3OCLOCKFINISH]

Surely those trades that have been placed on the higher payband were done so because they already qualify and not because the heiracy want them to achieve those standards you desire.

Just my thoughts,

My take on it is that 'moving up' should give the trade a boost, having something to live up to should bring out the best in the tradesmen.

If I were given a substantial payrise for whatever reason I'd like to think that I would try and prove to myself I was worth it.

 

[Dragoon]

If I were given a substantial payrise for whatever reason I'd like to think that I would try and prove to myself I was worth it.

But if you're trade had been given it, why would you want to prove you're worth it?
You've already been given it, so by that factor, you are already worth it. DT_Xtremez_30:

Or just sit back enjoying the extra dosh, knowing they cant take it away from you, short of kicking you out the mob.

 

[Cantbeshinyarsed]

For all those trades that have recently joined the high payband have any of you noticed an increase in the quality and professionalism of their work? Or does it appear that they are quite happy to accept the money but not the extra weight of expectation?

This question can equally apply to those currently receiving it and also the SACs who will benefit after promotion. I know if I was an SAC with the potential of a 6k (?) payrise I'd me busting a gut to be the best I could possibly be.

I ask a question of all those who have always been on the 'Higher Pay Band', is this job all about the money? Also, what have you physically lost in your pockets with other trades joining you on the same pay band?

I have spent 21 of my nearly 22 years on the lower pay band without complaint because I enjoyed the job, the cameraderie and the lifestyle that the RAF provides. It seems to me that money is the main motivational factor for those who have always had it.

 

[Soon To Leave]

Don't forget trades are periodically re-evaluated and paybands can change. I therefore think those moved up are likely to improve their game to prove their continuing worth.

 

[3OCLOCKFINISH]

I ask a question of all those who have always been on the 'Higher Pay Band', is this job all about the money? Also, what have you physically lost in your pockets with other trades joining you on the same pay band?

I have spent 21 of my nearly 22 years on the lower pay band without complaint because I enjoyed the job, the cameraderie and the lifestyle that the RAF provides. It seems to me that money is the main motivational factor for those who have always had it.

Money is of course a major factor, would you happy to drop down to SAC wages even although you clearly enjoy your job?

After all, level 9 high at £28.5k is not a wage to be sniffed at.

 

[muttywhitedog]

Higher Payband = More Take-home pay

Higher Payband = More Take-home pay

I have come across some utter gashness amongst those who have sponged from the higher payband for all of their careers. Similarly I have come across some outstanding individuals who were never in the higher payband.

You cant put everyone in the same category just because one or two p!ss you off.

 

[Cantbeshinyarsed]

Money is of course a major factor, would you happy to drop down to SAC wages even although you clearly enjoy your job?

After all, level 9 high at £28.5k is not a wage to be sniffed at.

As far as I am aware and correct me if I am wrong but nobody has had to drop down a Pay Band in order to pay for another trade to go up one. Therefore nobody has lost out!! So what exactly is the problem?

 

[R_Squared]

..... Therefore nobody has lost out!! So what exactly is the problem?

I've mentioned this before in similar threads, but I think its worth saying again.

More people on the Higher Pay Band = A more expensive RAF.

Come our annual pay review we are seen as a whole, consequently it may end up that we have a lesser or no pay rise.

So it will end up affecting everyone's pocket.

 

[Soon To Leave]

What we lose as being always on the higher payband is the 'differential'. We have suffered twice; firstly when pay 2000 came in and 3 paybands became 2, and currently, when 2 paybands are very close to being just one.

In real terms I have received miniscule payrises over the last few years whilst those previously in lower paybands have seen relatively big pay rises.

So the answer is yes - those previously on the higher paybands have lost and those on the highest, even more.

On the plus side, we might see an increase in pension under the 'band of brothers' principle.

 

[FootTapper]

If I were given a substantial payrise for whatever reason I'd like to think that I would try and prove to myself I was worth it.

But if you're trade had been given it, why would you want to prove you're worth it?
You've already been given it, so by that factor, you are already worth it. DT_Xtremez_30:

Or just sit back enjoying the extra dosh, knowing they cant take it away from you, short of kicking you out the mob.

Is that how you feel about promotion?

 

[Cantbeshinyarsed]

I've mentioned this before in similar threads, but I think its worth saying again.

More people on the Higher Pay Band = A more expensive RAF.

Come our annual pay review we are seen as a whole, consequently it may end up that we have a lesser or no pay rise.

So it will end up affecting everyone's pocket.

So taking your point and so as not to affect everyone, should we all move back to the lower pay band? Ensuring a a less expensive RAF and fair pay rise for everyone.

 

[Woodja]

What we lose as being always on the higher payband is the 'differential'. We have suffered twice; firstly when pay 2000 came in and 3 paybands became 2, and currently, when 2 paybands are very close to being just one.

In real terms I have received miniscule payrises over the last few years whilst those previously in lower paybands have seen relatively big pay rises.

So the answer is yes - those previously on the higher paybands have lost and those on the highest, even more.

On the plus side, we might see an increase in pension under the 'band of brothers' principle.

Oddly enough, the following is taken from the recent People Campaign Plan (PCP) that is doing the rounds:

Develop a Future Pay Structure (FPS) that is agile, fair, and competitive and addresses Pay 2000 anomalies. The FPS will use JPA functionality and, where possible, simplify pay and remuneration structures.

The study team stood up in Aug 09, with a report due this March.

There are some interesting points in the plan (and some not so interesting) just for God's sake don't read the covering note!

 

[Bucc Boy]

Where all the ill feeling arises is from the basic principle of 'worth'. Where as certain trades used to be in the higher pay band and certain trades were not, it made individuals from the higher pay band think, quite understandably, that their job held more importance/responsibility than that of an equivalent rank and seniority from the lower pay band.

No body has actually put their hand up and said where they got it wrong in the first place. If all the individual trades that moved from lower to higher, were in fact being 'underpaid' for years then they have taken the news very well.

However all the trades on the higher pay band have lost that differentiation from their employer as to what is considered more valuable to them?

so to the point of this thread, as a techie, if I had received a £6K pay rise I would not have felt I could have been any more responsible or professional than I already was. Likewise I would expect all trades moving from low to high pay, to feel the same.

The only gripe I ever held was with my employer, who after 23 years of blowing sunshine out of my asre, suddenly breaks the news that they don't actually rate my trade that highly after all, and yes I did vote with my feet.