Times Report - Cut to the Bone?

[Talk Wrench]

Jeez thats some pre-emptive cuts, 1/4 of the manpower! The airships must be thinking that the unthinkable must be on the cards.

Thats fcuking depressing DT_Xtremez_38:

To cheer you up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYBX7ieOr1k

 

[John Lloyd]

Give it 10 years and this'll be it.........all of it!

 

[Talk Wrench]

Give it 10 years and this'll be it.........all of it!

I'll sharpen me pitchfork for the ready!!

TW

 

[pie sandwich]

To cheer you up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYBX7ieOr1k

That made me feel very proud, as sad as some of you may say.
But I am proud to have been in the RAF and it pains me to see it be decimated like it is planned to be, and I wish I could go on Ops to help out the lads and do more.

 

[Shugster]

Didn't the Ruskies decide to start building up their forces again a couple of years ago?

I know we're not enemies anymore, (apart from spying), but I don't think anyone who wants to have a pop will give us enough notice to build up our numbers in time.

A bad idea all round.

 

[mad_collie]

From what we have been told after our AFI in October, RAF Leeming is guaranteed to stay open until atleast 2030

Did he say which day Leeming will be open til 2030? I've never seen it open past 1900.

 

[hatethebay]

If they are going to mothball 4 of our 7 E3's they may as well pt all of them to bed as you can't do anything with just 3 apart from airshows and the odd exercise...

Hang on...A brilliant policy!

Thats all they did in the last few years anyway, not like in my day!

 

[Joe_90]

They say all these things but they can't happen. When they announced Colt was shutting they said another 4 would go with it and I don't reckon it's happened yet. They can aspire to close camps and cut numbers but they already know they also have to cut commitments as well and they just can't bring themselves to do it.

 

[Ex-Bay]

To cheer you up!

Strangely enough, it did.
I reckon a .303 was better for doing Drill with, but to see uniforms I started out with (those ankle things had just gone out, I think), to remember the 'fun' in a decent parade (where we didn't have to think much, just listen), but whilst watching someone else do it was a nice experience.

I enjoyed most of my time; I'd put my name down to help if needed,

Pass me the UHF Test Set someone please.
And the tissues.

 

[Tin basher]

Finningley nav school, anyone?

Even at late 80's prices it cost around 3.2m to build and was shut down less than 2 years after the grand opening. They can close, change the use of, civlianise anywhere they like without actually having to provide us prolls with an explanation. Abingdon, Finningley,Watta shambles, Chivenor, Colt, the list is pretty long of places closed in recent years without going back to far. So what if money has been spent and facilities improved at a unit that has never stopped things being closed in the past.

 

[Weebl]

So, another 10k people to go.

I presume what they will do is contractorise those 10k jobs, because on paper it is cheaper in the next financial year.

In reality of course turning blue suits posts into civvy posts generally ends up costing more, while at the same time providing much less capability.

The only other way of doing it is to fly less. Much less.

 

[Teh Wal]

...
The only other way of doing it is to fly less. Much less.

The RAF is a great place to work... shame the aircrew have to go and spoil it!!DT_Xtremez_19:

 

[ninjarabbi]

So, which trades to cut? No more Tornado's or Harriers, therefore no more technicians required for those aircraft types. Typhoon's going to have the numbers drastically cut so that's more and I'm guessing that if they close 5 'large' Stations then perhaps a large part of the RAF Regiment may go. One thing's for sure, the high ranking Officer Corps will remain just as top heavy as before because we need all those Wg Cdr's, Gp Capt's and Air Commodores flying those desks at MOD Whitehall.

 

[NigeC]

If the cuts are made, i.e. do more with less, then someone HAS to make a realistic decision on what can and what can't be done and what effect this will have on the various commitments around the world.

Company I work for has just been "re-organised" i.e. less people doing more work BUT this time our senior bosses have given the decision makers a list of what will now NOT be done due to lack of resources and basically asked them how they can get a workforce to carry out more work within their contracted hours without overtime.

Threat of the sack etc, they have tried that one, did not work, people left anyway, unions rattled a few sabres etc all went back to "status quo"

One small matter that crept into a paper the other day and has raised a few concerns amongst civilian airlines is Russian aircraft coming over to have "peek" and being intercepted by the QRA aircraft as the Russians don't tell any one they are coming.

Hmmm, just like the good old Cold War days of when we had Phantoms and Lightnings on Q.

Hmm, I can see the headlines now " QRA has been outsourced to a civilian company who are being sponsered by XXXXXX product" DT_Xtremez_42:

 

[John Lloyd]

One small matter that crept into a paper the other day and has raised a few concerns amongst civilian airlines is Russian aircraft coming over to have "peek" and being intercepted by the QRA aircraft as the Russians don't tell any one they are coming.

Hmmm, just like the good old Cold War days of when we had Phantoms and Lightnings on Q.

Hmm, I can see the headlines now " QRA has been outsourced to a civilian company who are being sponsered by XXXXXX product" DT_Xtremez_42:

Government figures (if you believe them) don't show a growth of Russki interest

http://www.parliament.the-stationer...809/cmselect/cmdfence/memo/russia/ucm2102.htm

Reducing numbers mean reducing costs

 

[NigeC]

Government figures (if you believe them) don't show a growth of Russki interest

http://www.parliament.the-stationer...809/cmselect/cmdfence/memo/russia/ucm2102.htm

Reducing numbers mean reducing costs

Agree with the reduction in numbers to reduce costs etc but there does come a tipping point, when you have cut the work force to the bone and no amount of "beatings / threats" etc will make any differance.

A major screw up occurs, a review body is convened and the recomendation is that more resources / personnel are needed to stop this happening again DT_Xtremez_42:

A case of re-inventing the wheel AGAIN

 

[steve_k243]

Nothing new!


We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganization; and what a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralization.''

Petronius Arbiter

 

[Teh Wal]

Nothing new!


We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganization; and what a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralization.''

Petronius Arbiter

You forgot to mention that he wrote it in 210 BC
DT_Xtremez_19:

 

[ukhursty]

If they are wanting to cut the numbers, why do they keep recruiting thousands each year?

 

[Sospan]

If they are wanting to cut the numbers, why do they keep recruiting thousands each year?

Because they learned from mistakes from the last few batch of cuts, stopping recruitment will come back and bite you years later.