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Just for once we do the right thing

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firestorm

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As said before... live by the sword - die by the sword. They gave up any rights they had when they carried out this cowardly act.
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As did the members of the Duke of Lancaster Regiment. Though they did get away with murder at huge expense to the UK taxpayer not least with the MOD paying out just short of £3M in blood money. (sorry, compensation)
Then, we always did double standards so well.
 
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firestorm said:
As did the members of the Duke of Lancaster Regiment. Though they did get away with murder at huge expense to the UK taxpayer not least with the MOD paying out just short of £3M in blood money. (sorry, compensation)
Then, we always did double standards so well.
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If thats you're view then, are the families of the two murderd Servicemen going to get £3m from the iraqi Government? I doubt it. The Lancasters were tried in their home nation, as should these iraqi's..... It does't make it right in everyones eyes though.
 
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If these two are found guilty then a hanging in Iraq would be a tender mercy compared to two minutes with me and a claw hammer. These two are accused of killing two of our colleagues in cold blood. Not in an ambush or a firefight of some kind but in a calculated cowardly fashion. They deserve to see hell up close and personal.

I for one don't want these two pieces of festering waste contaminating my country.

As for those with liberal views then crack on, to me you are just background noise. The ability to air your views is something that the two servicemen who died are not capable of doing anymore, that for me is the crux of the matter. They were killed in a country they were trying to improve for the Iraqi people. If for no other reason that is an apt enough reason for there accused killers to be tried there, and if found guilty hung high.
 
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firestorm

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If thats you're view then, are the families of the two murderd Servicemen going to get £3m from the iraqi Government? I doubt it. The Lancasters were tried in their home nation, as should these iraqi's..... It does't make it right in everyones eyes though.
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I'd love to think that the bereaved families would get proper compensation but I know they won't. They will however get justice.
The Lancasters sham trial was in the UK but the murder was committed in Iraq.
 
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firestorm, how was the trial of the Lancasters a sham?
i'm not being funny i'd like to know.
 
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Just for once we do the right thing

I assume that Iraq is in Europe, why else should the ECR get involved. If convicted I hope that the perpetrators don't get hanged. Life in an Iraqi prison should be a nice cushy number.
 
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Because Baha Mousa was murdered by members of the Duke of Lancasters Regiment whilst in their custody and no one was brought to justice. He didn't beat himself to a pulp whilst hooded and bound.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/family-wins-battle-for-baha-mousa-inquiry-828293.html
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You may see it as a sham, but only one person got sent down they couldnt prove the guilt of the others
A court martial last year ended with the conviction of one soldier for inhumane treatment, but the acquittal of six others. The judge hearing the case said that the military investigation had been hampered by what he described as "a closing of ranks".
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(yes we all know they did it, but it isnt the same as proving it now is it? And they also covered each others backsides instead of posting it on youtube for a change)

These two, have never stepped foot in the EU have nothing to do with the EU have yet to be put on trial or convicted, so they still have a chance dont they (granted not much of one, but hey silver linings and all that).
 
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firestorm

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I see your point but the Lancasters did get away with murder. A murder they committed on Iraqi soil.
I'm not defending the Iraqis who killed the troops, they'll get what they deserve, just pointing out the double standard at work.
 
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Some interesting comments.

I'm trying to see it from some people’s point of view, but I have one problem.

I just can’t seem to get my head around some of them.

Hand them over and be done.
 
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Yuk!

Yuk!

No, I won't bother getting my blood pressure pills, I wouldn't give you the satisfaction. I'm certain that most sane minded people would agree that it is the sort of attitude that you display that has turned England into what it is now. Life without liberty does not exist in the UK, unless you are a train robber. Life imprisonment for most murders is around 15-20 years. What a sodding joke and an insult to the families left behind. If you want to keep murdering scum languishing in carpeted prison cells watching the latest porno DVD's, you pay to keep them there but don't demand that I do. As for the usual comment from the open toed sandal brigade about the death penalty not working, it might have escaped your notice that nearly 2 murders a day now take place in England, a figure that has increased steadily since the abolition of hanging. Give a referendum to the people on hanging and the EU, the politicians work for us and are paid by us, so how come they are our masters?
Nec Aspera Terrent said:
If you are going to get annoyed by my liberal view-point, go and get your blood-pressure pills before reading on...

Ready? Good.


Under European law, penalty of death in unlawful. These chaps were held by a European power. Transfer of prisoners by European power to a state which uses death penalty is unlawful where death penalty may be used.

I agree whole heartedly with this. The death penalty does little more than turn states into murderers, more than that, it doesn't work. It doesn't punish the murderer (it actually spares them decades of punishment in jail), it doesn't even act as a disincentive to other potential murderers.

I do not support the government's stance on this case at all. Yes, the guys should be punished, but that punishment should be a life without liberty. We have effectively condemned these men to death. Is that the sort of freedom and democracy we wanted to give to the people of Iraq?

Also, if a UK Serviceman commits a crime in Iraq, should he also be tried under Iraqi law? Or yet again will we insist on a different standard of law for those we 'liberated' and ourselves?

Finally, what these guys did was to kill members of what they saw as an invading and unwelcome army. Who amongst us wouldn't do the same if the UK was 'liberated' by a foreign army?
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Nec Aspera Terrent said:
The death penalty does little more than turn states into murderers, more than that, it doesn't work. It doesn't punish the murderer (it actually spares them decades of punishment in jail), it doesn't even act as a disincentive to other potential murderers.
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Extensive research has shown that, of murderers given the death penalty, none of them have ever killed again - the death penalty has been 100% effective as a deterrent to those people! :pDT_Xtremez_32:
 
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