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Off Duty in Uniform?

Rugby-Jock-Lad

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Off Topic Unfortunately WT this goes to a major problem right now with respect for JNCOs which has been whittled down greatly by promoting the 'Cereal Packet' SAC(T)s too early. We could start a separate thread for that? What do you think? Or has it been done before?
 

MontyPlumbs

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Off Topic Unfortunately WT this goes to a major problem right now with respect for JNCOs which has been whittled down greatly by promoting the 'Cereal Packet' SAC(T)s too early. We could start a separate thread for that? What do you think? Or has it been done before?

Don't even go there mate, it's been done to death! No prizes for guessing what you think of us! :pDT_Xtremez_14:
 

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Have you ever thought Humble Scribe that the said individual looking like a bag of sh#*e actually put in a hard days work hence the apperance of looking scruffy. We can't always have sharp creases and bulled toe caps for us engineers you know. Getting down and dirty sometimes is part of the job. Not sitting behind a desk looking important doing our Secondary Duties.

The vast majority of my guys wear civvies under their denims (don't ask me why when there are free clothes available to wreck) so there is no excuse for not having a presentable uniform. They wear safety boots so shiney toecaps on shoes are not a real deal. The problem as I see it is that the majority don't want to wear uniform at any time. It's got fcuk all to do with being techies, if you want to be smart then you will, end of!:pDT_Xtremez_21:
 

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The vast majority of my guys wear civvies under their denims (don't ask me why when there are free clothes available to wreck) so there is no excuse for not having a presentable uniform. They wear safety boots so shiney toecaps on shoes are not a real deal. The problem as I see it is that the majority don't want to wear uniform at any time. It's got fcuk all to do with being techies, if you want to be smart then you will, end of!:pDT_Xtremez_21:

I prefer au naturel under my denims, always the chance of getting something sticky in my lap! mmmmm....

Anyone who wears Blues under their denims needs a shoeing anyway...
 

Rugby-Jock-Lad

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I agree with not wearing blues under their denims but surely they should be enforced to wear at least a service green t-shirt and not what ever they want underneath.

Also make them arrive to work in blues in the morning so that you can judge their own efforts and see if they have pride in the service.

Unless you have worked a very very late shift or there has been a disaster at home there should not be an excuse for looking scruffy in the Morning.
 

MontyPlumbs

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I agree with not wearing blues under their denims but surely they should be enforced to wear at least a service green t-shirt and not what ever they want underneath.

Also make them arrive to work in blues in the morning so that you can judge their own efforts and see if they have pride in the service.

Unless you have worked a very very late shift or there has been a disaster at home there should not be an excuse for looking scruffy in the Morning.

Owing to the fact the RAF has seen fit to issue totally unsuitable polyester t-shirts which are no safe for working on aircraft we are allowed to wear civilian t-shirts if they are suitably drab in colour and of conventional pattern. Obviously global hyper-color t-shirts and Hula shirts are a no-go.
 

Rugby-Jock-Lad

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Never knew that MP. You learn something new every day. I'm from the TG 3 3/4 world so not really that up to date on these issues esp since Aircraft Techs practically wear overalls every day.

Apologies for not fully understanding!!
 

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I agree with not wearing blues under their denims but surely they should be enforced to wear at least a service green t-shirt and not what ever they want underneath.

Also make them arrive to work in blues in the morning so that you can judge their own efforts and see if they have pride in the service.

Unless you have worked a very very late shift or there has been a disaster at home there should not be an excuse for looking scruffy in the Morning.

Agree with RJL on this one. You should present yourself at shift start looking like you have some pride in the Service. (fcuk, sounding like ILLBW again). Back on topic, I have no probs walking down any High Street wearing mine... just sometimes I'd like to have my gorgeous lady (A2 readied) by my side...:pDT_Xtremez_15:
 

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I have worn uniform in public on many occasions, usually when I have to nip to the shops on the way home from work. There was a time when I was first married and had not passed my driving test yet that I had little choice but to travel to and from work by bus, so I did so in uniform.

We complain a lot on here about the low regard the Great British Public seem to have for us. Well it's about time we made ourselves more visible and, yes, there will be some who have difficulties with bloody-minded Daily Mail readers - at least at first, but it will be worth it overall.

That said, if I see some young SAC (techie or otherwise) wandering down Lincoln High Street looking like he works for the RAC he need not think I will go easy on him just because he's with his other half. If we are going to do it then we have to do it well.
 

Rugby-Jock-Lad

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Quote by TBJ: That said, if I see some young SAC (techie or otherwise) wandering down Lincoln High Street looking like he works for the RAC he need not think I will go easy on him just because he's with his other half. If we are going to do it then we have to do it well.

I disagree TBJ. I always believe it is best to be smug and know that the personnel UNDER your command are kept at a good, higher standard. Having a go at someone in Public who doesn't know you from Adam will only create conflict and make you look like an arrogant t@*t. A quiet word would be more beneficial. Otherwise that's what Chains-of-Command (CoC) are for. You might find his CoC are as despicable looking as him.
 

True Blue Jack

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I disagree TBJ. I always believe it is best to be smug and know that the personnel UNDER your command are kept at a good, higher standard. Having a go at someone in Public who doesn't know you from Adam will only create conflict and make you look like an arrogant t@*t. A quiet word would be more beneficial. Otherwise that's what Chains-of-Command (CoC) are for. You might find his CoC are as despicable looking as him.

Anyone wearing RAF uniform in public is representing the Service I am still proud to be a part of. I would be failing in my duty as an NCO if I did not pick up on someone who is not representing us well. The hypothetical airman to which I referred would be left in no doubt as to my feelings on the matter; it is quite possible to do that without resorting to public humiliation.

As for his chain of command, they are not my concern.
 

muttywhitedog

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I can't see this wearing of uniform off duty catching on in a big way. IMHO Uniform shouldn't be worn when wandering round supermarkets etc.

I wouldn't wear mine outside of my work environment unless I was there on duty (ie a parade). Too many fanatics etc looking for an excuse to have a pop (or worse) at us.
 

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I can't see this wearing of uniform off duty catching on in a big way. IMHO Uniform shouldn't be worn when wandering round supermarkets etc.

I've had more dirty looks wearing an England top in a supermarket than wearing uniform :pDT_Xtremez_31:
 

muttywhitedog

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I think your location may have something to do with that! I was unfortunate enough to be in Elgin on the day of the Euro 96 game when Gazza scored "that" goal against the jocks - there was hell to play that night if you were English.

Also there will be less of the al-qaeda sympathisers in your location too.

I stick by my statement - Uniform is for when you are at work. I have no intention of running the risk of making my wife a widow just because some politician thinks it would be good to see military personnel wandering round town centres in uniform.
 

True Blue Jack

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I stick by my statement - Uniform is for when you are at work. I have no intention of running the risk of making my wife a widow just because some politician thinks it would be good to see military personnel wandering round town centres in uniform.

Just to turn that on its head . . . . how would you feel if you popped into town in your lunch hour without bothering to put a civvy jacket on and were stopped by a bloke who just wanted to shake your hand or an old woman who will not let you go until she has given you enough money for a pint? Believe it or not it does happen and if we were more visible it would happen more.

We stopped wearing uniform only because in the early days PIRA had a (albeit twisted) sense of morality and would only attack military targets. Al Qa'eda don't care about uniforms. Semtex stuck to the bottom of your car is not their style (not enough casualties).

Wearing uniform in public won't magically create aircraft spares, or get the Nimrod MRA4 delivered on time and on budget. What it will do is allow us to feel proud of who we are and that feel-good factor is priceless.
 
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Wearing uniform in public won't magically create aircraft spares, or get the Nimrod MRA4 delivered on time and on budget. What it will do is allow us to feel proud of who we are and that feel-good factor is priceless.

It may also help to address the recruiting deficit!
 

muttywhitedog

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Just to turn that on its head . . . . how would you feel if you popped into town in your lunch hour without bothering to put a civvy jacket on and were stopped by a bloke who just wanted to shake your hand or an old woman who will not let you go until she has given you enough money for a pint? Believe it or not it does happen and if we were more visible it would happen more.

We stopped wearing uniform only because in the early days PIRA had a (albeit twisted) sense of morality and would only attack military targets. Al Qa'eda don't care about uniforms. Semtex stuck to the bottom of your car is not their style (not enough casualties).

Wearing uniform in public won't magically create aircraft spares, or get the Nimrod MRA4 delivered on time and on budget. What it will do is allow us to feel proud of who we are and that feel-good factor is priceless.

TBJ, you have your opinion and I have mine. Personally I'd rather ensure that my kids have a father and my wife has a husband than receiving plaudits from people in Tescos whilst buying my groceries. I am proud of who I am, who I work for and what I have achieved, however I do not feel the need for recognition of my deploying on a regular basis to nasty places where people want me dead. All I ask is that I be allowed to live my off-duty life as a father, husband, son, brother, friend and neighbour - not some unofficial recruiter.
 

True Blue Jack

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TBJ, you have your opinion and I have mine. Personally I'd rather ensure that my kids have a father and my wife has a husband than receiving plaudits from people in Tescos whilst buying my groceries. I am proud of who I am, who I work for and what I have achieved, however I do not feel the need for recognition of my deploying on a regular basis to nasty places where people want me dead. All I ask is that I be allowed to live my off-duty life as a father, husband, son, brother, friend and neighbour - not some unofficial recruiter.

I cannot argue with any of that and I am not suggesting that we wear uniform 24/7. You clearly take persec seriously and again, I cannot fault you for it. I have only one question: do you do anything on Remembrance Sunday?
 
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The general rule out here in Canada is that when you're wearing your uniform you ARE on duty. You're allowed to wear it to and from your place of work, but apart from that you need permission from your CO. That being said, everyone who goes out for a drink after work usually stays in uniform until they actually get home. But there are plenty of Legion Halls and such in my city that are more than happy to see service men and women.

The thing about being officially ON DUTY any time you're in uniform, on bass, or on DND property (including vehicles), is that anything you do wrong puts you under the Military Codes of Service Discipline. Get drunk and disorderly in uniform, and you're looking at a military punishment on top of whatever you get civilly.

I think that the ON DUTY component of wearing the uniform does encourage members to be more responsible while in uniform in public. We tend to look after each other.

Granted, in Canada we're very rarely considered targets for violence, so I can understand the additional concern that you have in the UK. Biggest problem out here is that people mistake an airmen in blues for a bus-driver, and a naval officer in whites for a pilot at the airport. Hell, even in my blues I can't even count how many times old ladies have come up to me at the airport and asked me what time their plane departs.

Myself: "Well, you'll have to check the departure's sign, ma'am. I don't work here."

Old Lady: "But you look like you work here."

Thinking to myself: "'Are you the old lady that the nice folks from the Home have been paging on the PA?' No no... Can't say that... um..."

Myself: "Perhaps this gentleman can help you out!" (at which point I gesture towards the nearest naval officer and quickly exit stage left)


In any case. A lot of that junk in Canada has to do with an the public's under familiarity with the Canadian Forces. Out here we could certainly use a more visible presentation of military personnel.

All of that being said, being "encouraged to wear the uniform in public" means to me that people should be more willing to wear their uniform to and from work each day, even if they have to make a few stops on the way. It increases visibility, and a steady diet of such things for the public may help to increase acceptance and familiarity. How long does it take the average person to get home from work? 30 minutes? We're not talking about flirting with disaster here, we're talking about maybe an hour ouf of an entire day.

I certainly don't think that they mean to suggest that a servicemen puts on his uniform in the morning of his day off and goes out to cut the lawn, visit the market, and catch a film at the nearest cinema. That would certainly be asking for a kickin' eventually, and it would make you look like a bit of a tool in my opinion.

Besides, if you don't have to change into the uniform AFTER you get to work and BEFORE you leave, that gives you more time in the morning for things like breakfast... or 5 minutes sleep... or even just 5 minutes of zen. lol Do what you will folks.
 
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