The Reds new jets

[Tin basher]

OK it's the Mail and they are journo's but.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9982581/British-firm-NEW-Red-Arrows.html

"A British firm is set to strike a deal that will see it design and develop a replacement for the Red Arrows' aircraft. Suffolk-based Aeralis was given £200,000 by the RAF to develop a new aircraft that could be converted from basic trainer to aggressive fighter by swapping engines and wings earlier this year. "

Aeralis is company I have never heard off before this and £200K is mere peanuts in the world of aviation but could it be??

Company website https://aeralis.com/

 

[Talk Wrench]

An Interesting concept, but just how long will be until the proverbial dog becomes the proverbial cat?

 

[busby1971]

Saw an article that said there wouldn’t be a trainer replace if the hawk, everything synthetic in the future.

 

[Tin basher]

everything synthetic in the future.

Virtual reds accessed via a YouTube link oh think of the savings. You heard it here first

 

[fourteen2two]

Greta and the greens will like that. Only if green energy used of course!
Modular jet made by Airfix

 

[Late & Tired]

Will they fly OK on the new E10 fuel?

 

[4mastacker]

What an opportunity for this to be a re-run of the introduction of the Tucano - a modification here, a modification there and what we ended up with was a different beast from the original design and if the stories are true, no two aircraft were the same length.

IIRC, as a result of delays caused by spec changes, there was a PR poster in the Tucano office at RAFSC which had been altered to read "Tucano is (still) coming."

 

[SAXAVORDIAN]

Pity thought the idea to go green would have seen pilots training Tantric Flying by now.

 

[Oldstacker]

Bet BAe are chuffed to monkeys about the prospect... all that free advertising they get when the reds go on tour... What are the odds that Aeralis will be the subject of a takeover bid from BAe within the next 5 years....?

 

[Cornish_Pikey]

I bet the lineys will look forward to the Friday evening decisions to rerole from basic trainer to advanced jet trainer for the Monday morning sorties.

In the words of a Haynes manual, "simply replace the wings and engines".

 

[Allflapnofly]

.......Sorted......

 

[dctyke]

£200k most probably won’t even cover their annual phone bill

 

[SAXAVORDIAN]

£200k most probably won’t even cover their annual phone bill

Probably promotional RAF stickers and recovered from the archives 1938 leaflets for joining the service.

 

[Cornish_Pikey]

Statement from one of the big bosses:

Air Marshal Richard Knighton, Deputy Chief of Defence Staff, commented, “I’m delighted to hear of the RCO contract with AERALIS. This private aircraft company is adopting an innovative approach that I have not seen before in the combat air sector. Its ingenious and innovative use of modularity, together with applying lessons learnt from the commercial sector offers the potential to break the capability cost curve that has dogged military fast jet programmes for many generations. The design philosophy could be disruptive, providing a means to improve international competitiveness and shift away from expensive bespoke platforms.”

Is he saying , "it's not my idea," ready for when it goes tits up?

This is an aircraft designed by an architect with potentially no idea how to swap wings/engines etc.

Great concept but as is so often realised, the real engineering gets in the way.

It's also not particularly new, a rebadged Dart Jet. https://www.aircosmosinternational.com/article/dart-jet-offers-low-cost-trainer-concept-1929

 

[busby1971]

Probably reflects what the export market needs rather than what we keep selling them.

 

[Tin basher]

Air Marshal Richard Knighton, Deputy Chief of Defence Staff, commented.........., Its ingenious and innovative use of modularity, together with applying lessons learnt from the commercial sector offers the potential to break the capability cost curve that has dogged military fast jet programmes for many generations.

It will all be great until the obligatory MOD program kicks into gear. Interchangeability will vanish like your first brew up in the morning as soon as we have varying MOD states across the fleet. But to keep things sweet all it needs is the type office to keep a close eye on those things............... oh wait.

 

[Stevienics]

There you go.......200k worth of new red arrows Trainer

 

[Talk Wrench]

There you go.......200k worth of new red arrows Trainer

Perhaps the Reds should be renamed "the Silver Shadows"

 

[Allflapnofly]

"The White Plimsolls"......

 

[UlsterExile]

There will be some horlicks and and we'll end up with either

1. An extension to the current fleet
2. A different aircraft bought in haste
3. Or should we dare to think "disbandment"
4. The Aeralis late and over budget( this IMHO will be the probably outcome)