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The E Goat Career Info Thread

Malesu

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Back with Airbus... Career opportunities are there... Going for a Manufacturing Engineer/Advanced Technician at the moment which, over 2 years, includes a foundation Degree in Aeronautical Engineering and the relevant NVQ5 (day release at Deeside College & Wrexham Uni). 20 spots, with the first 10 starting in September... Fingers crossed...
 

fileeth

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Ex TG 1 (traditional split brain) who left in 2009

2009 - Initially worked as a contactor doing inspections on Coal fueled power stations as well as combined cylce gas turbine power stations.
2011 - Left the contractor 'tax effeicient' life style to become an employee (again!)

I am part of the expanding nuclear power industry sector and currently an inspection site team leader for inspection. Even though I took a drop in earnings from contractor to employee (although still alot better than being in the Mob!!) the opportunity allowed me to have a more stable home life with longevity to see me out untill I retire but with the added bonus of final salary pension, company car, paid overtime and a good leave structure.

Some of the qualifications that helped me get the job was a good knowledge of safety (ISOH managing safely course, risk assessment etc..) project management (Prince 2 paid for by the RAF due to a very good buisiness case put forward to justify it ...... basic bull***t!) and all the other soft courses you can do while in the RAF.
I was also just completing a BSc and has been said before on this thread, a degree does open dooors as well as the fact that if you are aerospece background you are famailar with a higly regulated and proceduralised industry!!

If you still have your ELCs to use, work out which sector you are going into and then use these as a trading tool with you perspective employer(s). You can state you have a personal development fund that could be utilised for the benefit of both you and your future/current employer.
 

busby1971

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Ex TG 17 22yr Cpl

Whilst in I covered a lot of bases degree in part people/part business subject, cleared the CPP course (now called CHRP) during resettlement and was most of the way to becoming fully CIPD qualified, which I've extended to MA HRM as it's not that much more work and a much better qualification to hold.

Left work on the Wednesday, interview the next day and started an interim HR Officer Job a week later for a similar wage, working for a Quango that was closing down, lots of good experience and cv bingo words picked up, TUPE, ER, Redundancy and of course as far as businesses are concerned I reduced the costs of closing by forward thinking and discovering alternative opportunities for leavers.

Before my contract ran out the work started to, our redundancy efforts were too successful so started to look for my next job. Living in South Lincs Food Manufacturing is big so targeted this sector and was successful in finding my current position. Slight pay drop, that's food manufacturing for you, with loads of Generalist HR tasks, Factories are like school playgrounds, I'm currently dealing with at least 2 disciplinaries a week and have successfully dismissed a few people too for Gross or Absence (there were issues that hadn't been dealt with when I arrived). All on top of more general HR stuff such as recruitment, induction, the odd redundancy and just now getting into reorganisation as we look to reduce costs following a restructuring that has left me as the only HR Advisor level guy in the UK for our business unit instead of being part of a national team, I've got their phone numbers and access to xperthr, which makes up for my boss working in Orlean.

Sounds good doesn't it, but I feel I have been lucky to get my two positions, I've probably had 25 interviews and applied for hundreds of jobs, getting knocked back left right and centre for jobs I know I could do with my eyes closed for one reason or another (Sector/Unknown Experience [RAF]). HR is currently undergoing a transformation, transactional processes are being farmed out to firms like Logica, other processes are being pushed onto managers and employees (JPA Style), specialist consultants are being brought in on a project by project basis and call centre type advice providers are stripping out in house advisors. The results of which are fewer jobs and a squeeze on wages. If you can translate your experience for civis, be flexible, quick learner and business focused then a civi HR Career can follow a Pers Support Career and once you're in and relevant it gets easier and easier to stay in the profession.

I plan to do another year as an Advisor and then start to look at Business Partner or Manager roles which I know I can do I just cannot prove it yet (although saying that I've already been asked to hang around for job coming up at a more senior level with my old team)

Ignore the knock backs see them as learning opportunities and keep applying for jobs you know you can do.
 
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fatboy11

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Not employed yet but...got my first interview next friday for a maintenance post with a global drinks company on the forth lol...what i did.....sterilised my cv RAF wise and went old school, ie getting out and about and talking to people. Even an interview feels like a result against what was an apparently large field. Stick at it peeps and it appears that perseverance may just pay off.
 

Vushtrri

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Left 22 yrs ago after 13 as A Tech E and joined the local Police where I did many unusual things at home and abroad including spending a lot of time with the dear deceased! retd 2 yrs ago and ended up in Egypt then back in the UK as site manager at a school here in Cheshire.............had enough of teachers being so far up their own arses............now got at interview back as a civvy Coroners officer.............all a bit different from being an A Tech E!
 
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Even Armourers!

Even Armourers!

An ex-Armourer I left 14 years ago & got a job in the food industry on the maintenance side, decided I needed more electrical skills, so did a 2 year course which the company paid for.
Then I went to work in Saudi for BAe on Tornados for a few years, left there & spent 3 years working for Airbus Deutchland on A380 as a electrician in Toulouse & Hamburg, until they sent us all home in 2010. Must admit I didn't see too much German efficiency in my time with them, just lots of arguing with the French.
Now I'm back in the food industry again doing maintenance, I'm now in my late fifties & I wish I had studied for more qualifications when I was in RAF as my body is starting to ache after a long shift on the tools & it would be nice to have a less strenuous role!
As you all say there are plenty of jobs out there in a very wide variety of fields who welcome our skills & attitude, even for armourers!
 

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I am also EX TG3 & PVRd & out December 95 (how time flies)

I am a prime Network Performance Engineer for all RAN (Radio Access) platforms (2G GSM/3G UTRAN & 4G E-UTRAN)
on a project support team (vendor) to a major German mobile network provider owned by Telefonica.

It is difficult to quantify what I do, but, essentially, anything related to Radio Access Networks from Cell object level all the way to PLMN (National level) demarcation line is usually the interface to the Core side.

Ohhh yeah, I am contractor/external & have been for a long time.

Hi Barry,

I know exactly what you do! :)

I work at Qualcomm as a Senior Staff Engineer in the SW integration team. Back in the UK I used to work at Motorola Infrastructure where we rolled the first GSM NW's across the EU. Then sent a 15 months at ATT cellular optimizing the networks :)

We have very similar jobs! :).. I'm not on the phone side but it's just the other end of the Air Interface, so the protocol analysis is the same.
 

iainrm

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departed in 87 as C/T with OU degree.
The last 12 years (retired 5 years ago) I was with eds/hp primarily as a network eng. For an eng with no management responsibility the salary range was vast basic between 25 to 65k add on car, oncall, overtime and a great pension 100K was realistic for the best.
I worked mainly in the city for oil companies, banks, insurance co. I was also technically home based so travel time was paid.
Interesting one team I worked on was entirely ex military, SSgt REME, WO logistics corp, FS admin and Cpl (plod) RAF.
My last was project was a great example of how internal politics screws up a relatively simple task.
The customer was a US manufacture, support team US based. Task replace 12 branch office routers (simple Cisco 1700) in 12 different counties across Europe. PM based in Mumbai. The simple option would be to buy 12 routers stick them in a car boot and drive round Europe for 3 months but that looked far too much like a great jolly for a simple eng...If the router was down I would quote an hour to replace it and hope to call you in 30 minutes!!
The complicated solution was to buy a router in each country, find an contractor in each country to do the install, the config would be done by the US team, only 10 lines and virtually identical well after 12 months I retired on the day the first install was scheduled for. Apart for from this one I had a great time I had a lot of freedom to sell the customer solutions to technical problems and then fix them I developed a niche as an "applications performance tester" In an outsourced environment each group network, server, desktop, software etc will state their bits are all ok and yet the performance from the customer view is crap. I would install some software to take a system level view and point out the actual causes of their problems.
 

Old Timer Chris

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What a great idea but shouldn't it come under Resettlement Chat?

What a great idea but shouldn't it come under Resettlement Chat?

Real people who have left the forces bringing their experience of life on the other side to the forum so others can benefit.

When I left in 1991, with all the typical SNCO qualifications, I soon got the impression that employers didn’t really care about rank, since most of the positions requiring supervisory NCO skills had already been filled by people who, in some cases, had spent most of their working life with the company. And you, as a newbie, are generally there to fill a vacancy because someone has been promoted or left. This also makes you easy meat if things get a bit sticky, so don’t be surprised if you are made redundant. Its nothing personal, take the money and run because they are usually much more generous the first time around, especially if the MD is part of the line up. With one company, after 6 years I came out with just over a month’s salary the other, after a similar amount of time, 6 months salary. Guess which one involved the MD?

The way I see it you have 3 options


  1. Stick to a defence or an aircraft related industry where your rank matters.
  2. Sit at home applying for jobs you think you are qualified for and, when invited to an interview, talk about your ‘Tornado line management experience’ when the guy is looking for someone to manage a line in a plastics factory.
  3. Get a job first and take it from there.

I didn't want to move and I had enough of the Officer/Airmen thing so that left me options 2 and 3. I had a mortgage to pay, wife wasn't working so that only really left option 3.

My first job wasn't bad either….it might not have been the best paid, but it cleared the bills with a bit to spare and the engineering work was surprisingly interesting. The trouble was, although I had progressed, the company itself was on a knife edge from day one and the inevitable happened and 6 years later the company closed. Great, now 47 and unemployed! This shouldn't be a problem you say, you now have experience…’Yes, I did!’ But the trouble was, the company I was working for was the only company in the UK that manufactured the particular product I was working on.

Stupidly, I assumed all businesses make a profit otherwise they wouldn't be in business right!.....wrong! So, don’t be afraid to ask about the finances/profits and, whilst you at it, think about the skills you will learn and ask yourselves if they are transferable to other companies. Luckily, some of mine were and another company took me on. Unfortunately it meant I was working away from home but, when you were earning close to a grand/ week, back then, with a car, petrol, travel and expenses thrown in, you don’t mind. Or do you! Staying in Hotels, heavy drinking sessions every night, usually followed by a Indian or Chinese sounds great but I suddenly realised that I was hardly seeing my family and I know some of you guys have suffered this with Iraq and Afghanistan (without the hotel bit) but it does take it toll on the marriage front and, as a casing point, most of my colleagues at the time were on their 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] marriage or divorced.

I know some would love this but it wasn't for me. It did however introduce me to programming and, to be honest, I haven’t looked back and, although I might not have used this skill in every job, it is a highly desirable engineering skill and ok I might not like some of the jobs on offer but even now, at 62, I could find one if I wanted to and that is a very comforting thought! So, try and find a job that will grow your skills because the more experience you have in a particular field the better.

If you have an HNC/HND or Degree this will certainly help but I know this is not always possible. So, if you can’t find the time, study the jobs market via job site before you leave and look for the key skills employers are looking for and then use your ECL’s on courses which will help you gain access to the industry of your choice.

Be pro-active and don’t make a big thing about how things were done in the forces. We didn't always get it right and all of companies I have worked for will put finance first. They have to!

There will be times when you are hacked off!.....Bitch at the wife, not at work!

Quite willing to help but I will be biased towards Control/Maintenance Engineering.


Good luck
 

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Ex TG1 and aircrew...Left 1 year ago...Now working as a project manager and phase manager for a large defence contractor. The realisation is that as a NCO/SNCO you carry out 70% of a project managers tasks on a daily basis without giving it a second thought...The ability to look at a situation and make a decision is sought after in this industry and in short supply from existing stocks...The gap in your skills to step up to a commercial position is covered 20% from courses that teach you the basic process and flow of a standard project during ressetlement and 80% doing it, fecking up, learning from it and moving onwards and upwards!

I've already helped a few Goaters and will always be happy to continue to do so...

Over two years since I posted this and it seems like yesterday! Time does seem to move faster out here...I'm just generally consistently busier meaning some days the clock clicks to 1700 and I've hardly noticed the day go by...

I was promoted 2 weeks ago and move out of a primarily PM role and into a management and facilitation position...getting this upward momentum came from learning a few new tricks that my time in didn't teach me...learning to read people to see if their intentions are good (in the forces 95% of us would help each other out due to that 'bond') as fewer people than you think have the best interests of the company at heart and that can hurt you. I've learned to bite my tongue and keep my powder dry...it's a skill to judge when you should confront/confide/conflict/continue and I get that now..I've learned to not get too stressed when all the work isn't done...it's acceptable to push things out in this walk of life and with clever prioritisation few will notice...just don't forget to do it at some point!

If you, like me, try hard to get a team together, to make it work, to get to that position where they start to feel guilty if they think they may let others down in your team you'll do ok at the shop floor level as a manager...my biggest observation of my present company is that it has many managers but very few leaders and it makes the workers miserable...apply the principles of what you've done all your service life ie learn their names and a bit about them, ask them how they are, have some banter before you get down to business, laud them when they do good publicly, at some point demonstrate that you'll stand by them/stick up for them, learn what it is they actually do and when the chance arises let them step up to the mark and demonstrate what they can do at the next level then they will two things will happen (1) they will almost die of shock as it won't have happened before (2) they will go the extra mile for you and spread the word...which does you good all over!
 

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I'm an ex tg2 sac(t) that pvr'd last just over a year ago after 10 years, I spent my resettlement period gaining as many electrical qualifications as possible with a look to going offshore to work in the oil and gas industry, after sending out quite a few cv's I ended up with two job offers on the table, one as an electrical inspector and tester for a major pharmacutical company the other as an E+I technician for a bottled gas company, I went with the one gas company as it seemed like the most interesting job and I have not regretted it.

Currently we have two instrument technicians on site and we are in charge of close to 4000 instruments ranging from simple pressure gauges to free air radar level measurement systems feeding into a profibus system controlling the safety of a acetylene production facility. all of the instrumentation requires calibration ranging from monthly for quality critical pressure gauges to 24monthly for plug and ring gauges (essentially go-nogo gauges) as well as dealing with any defects that occur on a site that is in places over 20 years old.

the jobs as much about record keeping and time management as actually hands on technical work but it's something I enjoy and seem to be quite good at.

after 9 months with the company I was made deputy supervisor for the maintenance department to ensure the correct task allocation for our shift of maintenance technicians.

my company have also agreed to let me have day release to study Beng (Hons) in electrical and electronic engineering over the next 6 years with funding in full being provided by the elc's free degree scheme, something well worth doing if your employer is flexible enough.

so in short I ended up with the job I wanted it's just onshore, which despite lower pay (but higher than the raf), means i get to see my family every night.
 

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Seeing as this thread seems to have been resurrected I thought I'd give an update.

I left the RAF after redundancy, with an offer of working for a major Wind Turbine manufacturer... no names, but they are very German in their outlook.

I worked on an offshore wind farm for just over a year, maintaining and servicing the wind turbines... however, the company's 'management style' was certainly not in the 'workers favour'.

With an increase in roster hours, and an effective 'pay cut' due to the loss of various bonuses I decided to look elsewhere.

I found employment with a local company that rents out Seismic Survey equipment (see Tashy Man's post from a few years ago). I've just returned from a 2 month tour on a boat in the far north where I was responsible for looking after the equipment, installing it and operating it. The job involved liaising with the customers and clients to make sure they understood any limitations as well as maintaining various compressors, air systems, hydraulic systems and computerised/electrical systems. A very varied job indeed! In addition to that my company operates worldwide, so I can get to see some great places (such as Australia, Inodnesia... and errr Angola).

As for the HNC/D in aerospace systems.... I've been lazy and not started it yet, however, I get plenty of time away on the ship where I can concentrate on it and fingers crossed, I'll get it started whilst on my next assignment.

HTB
 
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*Long time since I posted on this site (changed username to PhiltheGreek, but was T93)*

Hi Barry,

Hi, it is James

I know exactly what you do! :)

I work at Qualcomm as a Senior Staff Engineer in the SW integration team. Back in the UK I used to work at Motorola Infrastructure where we rolled the first GSM NW's across the EU. Then sent a 15 months at ATT cellular optimizing the networks :)

I guess you could say we are sort of adversaries, as I am contracted to IMC (Intel Mobile Communications) here in Munich. I have been here since end of 2012.

We have very similar jobs! :).. I'm not on the phone side but it's just the other end of the Air Interface, so the protocol analysis is the same.

guess you could say we are sort of adversaries, as I am contracted to IMC (Intel Mobile Communications) here in Munich. I have been here since

I have only worked on the UE side since being at Intel. Majority of my time has been on the other side (Network side)
I am in the verification team here, so heavily involved with LTE-A, Carrier Aggregation, VoLTE etc.

I guess, but not sure how QC are involved with "the other side" if the other side is the WBTS/ENB etc? unless you mean conformance?

TBH - I am looking to move on, so I am looking around at the moment. The work here, just doesnt do it for me.

IMC are slowly gaining traction in the marketplace, but will never match/beat QC for market share!!

PhiltheGreek aka James.
 
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