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Someone in the big world of "E-Goat" must have an answer on this little question.

I was posed this question today but have no firm answer to give;

If on your last SJAR, you are graded by 1,2,3 RO's as A- or A with a positive promotion recommendation; Are you automatically Pre-boarded as an "A Grade"?

I know it is generally put out that you are....actually are you?
 

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Not at all. The strength of the narratives is what'll get you through not the grades. A strongly written b or b+ with good examples of what you do and how you do it is more likely to get you promoted/A graded than anything higher with a narrative with loads of superlatives but no substance. I'm surprised this message hasn't got through to everyone by now.
 

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Dev is not a positive recommendation for promotion so they would be pre boarded as a C grade.
 

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Dev is not a positive recommendation for promotion so they would be pre boarded as a C grade.

That is an interesting point. One of my SACs recently applied to join the RAFAT, and on the suitability report from the AP in big red letters was something along the lines of that the applicant must have a positive promotion recommendation. His current appraisal was B+ and Dev, which I took to not be a positive rec and signed the form accordingly. We still sent the form off.

He got the post, over another candidate with a "Yes". Confused, I spoke to the CM, who informed me that "Dev" is a positive prom rec, in that its not "No". When he explained it, and added that they wanted someone for 3 years as an SAC, so why on earth would they take someone who was more than likely going to be picked up in the next 18 months, it suddenly made sense!
 

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He'd still be a C grade on a PSB though which is more the thrust of the OP...
 

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I just had a careers brief from our UCA and he basically told me the same as Humble Scribe said.

Don't know about your camp but at Bzn there are SJAR courses in TDF for subjects and 1st ROs that you may find useful to get on. At least it will tell you what you should be looking for before clicking that no comments box. It's something I wish I'd done years ago as I just found out that my 1st ROs haven't refreshed my page for the last 3 years leaving the board to think I have no career aspirations or objectives and probably scuppering my promotion chances.
 

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I just had a careers brief from our UCA and he basically told me the same as Humble Scribe said.

Don't know about your camp but at Bzn there are SJAR courses in TDF for subjects and 1st ROs that you may find useful to get on. At least it will tell you what you should be looking for before clicking that no comments box. It's something I wish I'd done years ago as I just found out that my 1st ROs haven't refreshed my page for the last 3 years leaving the board to think I have no career aspirations or objectives and probably scuppering my promotion chances.

Not looking for a fight here, but how did you not notice this when you've read your own SJAR? Or checked it before ticking the no comments box? Aren't you a SNCO yourself?

One of my biggests annoyances is people who refuse to take a grip of their own careers and blame everybody else expecting promotion to be spoon fed to them! (and I'm not saying thats you per se, just a general rant)
 

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Not looking for a fight here, but how did you not notice this when you've read your own SJAR? Or checked it before ticking the no comments box? Aren't you a SNCO yourself?

One of my biggests annoyances is people who refuse to take a grip of their own careers and blame everybody else expecting promotion to be spoon fed to them! (and I'm not saying thats you per se, just a general rant)

Likewise. A Cpl tried submitting a Service Complaint against me for finalising his report without his objectives being on. When the surface was scratched, it transpired he set himself some objectives after his 1RO had debriefed him, after his reporting period had finished, and just before the 2nd RO was completing his narrative. This was despite every JNCO being sent an e-mail from me 3 months before their appraisal was due, telling them that when they click "I have no comments", it means they are 100% happy that their involvement is complete, including their personal pages.

Guess which one of us got a chewing out by our Sqn Cdr?
 
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Not looking for a fight here, but how did you not notice this when you've read your own SJAR? Or checked it before ticking the no comments box? Aren't you a SNCO yourself?

One of my biggests annoyances is people who refuse to take a grip of their own careers and blame everybody else expecting promotion to be spoon fed to them! (and I'm not saying thats you per se, just a general rant)

You won't get a fight from me. I'm fully aware it's my own fault for not checking. That's what you get for trusting your RO, reading it on his computer, being happy with the recommendation and write up then ticking no comments and moving on. I never saw it again until JPA notification that the report is finalised and even then never bothered checking the entirety of the report apart from the 2nd RO's comments. Too many people are blinded by a pink and fluffy narrative, a good recommendation and a bunch of A's and fail to realise the importance of the rest of the report.

Lesson learnt and I hope others reading this don't go down the same path which is one of the reasons I posted. CHECK EVERYTHING (especially you guys on 33 Eng)

Thing is I had it drummed in to me to refresh my subjects SJARs on receipt of them, never thought it would happen to me.
 
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That's what you get for trusting your RO, reading it on his computer, being happy with the recommendation and write up then ticking no comments and moving on.

Why are you reading it on his computer? Your SJAR would have been in your workflow and you have up to 5 days to tick the no comments and moving back to the 1st RO. You therefore had the opportunity to print it off and do a thorough check of the front page which is your one and only opportunity to sell yourself to any promotion board by
1. Checking that the Roles & Responsibilities accurately reflect the job you have been doing.
2. Checking that your Personal Objectives are correct and up to date.
3. Checking your future posting choices are correct.
4. Checking your Future Aspirations are correct.

You could then do a full check of the 1st RO Performance and Potential narrative, checking for any obvious spelling mistakes, and check the promotion recommendations and rank for future employment are correct.

Personally, after completing a 1st RO de-brief, I hand a print of the SJAR to the subject and I ask them to check to ensure there are no mistakes or inaccuracies. At that stage there is still time to rectify. As a 2nd RO, I expect the 1st RO to have carried this out, however, I still print off the SJAR and hand it to the subject as there is still an opportunity to ensure it is correct before it is finalised.

You have been let down by your 1st and 2nd RO's as they have not checked your front cover properly and should have noticed that the date that you set your Personal Objectives were outside of the Reporting period covered.

Ultimately, you have let yourself down by not checking. As an RO with significant experience, I cannot stress enough how important it is to check your SJAR. It is your future promotion and career at stake!
 
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Why are you reading it on his computer? Your SJAR would have been in your workflow and you have up to 5 days to tick the no comments and moving back to the 1st RO. You therefore had the opportunity to print it off and do a thorough check of the front page which is your one and only opportunity to sell yourself to any promotion board by
1. Checking that the Roles & Responsibilities accurately reflect the job you have been doing.
2. Checking that your Personal Objectives are correct and up to date.
3. Checking your future posting choices are correct.
4. Checking your Future Aspirations are correct.

You could then do a full check of the 1st RO Performance and Potential narrative, checking for any obvious spelling mistakes, and check the promotion recommendations and rank for future employment are correct.

Personally, after completing a 1st RO de-brief, I hand a print of the SJAR to the subject and I ask them to check to ensure there are no mistakes or inaccuracies. At that stage there is still time to rectify. As a 2nd RO, I expect the 1st RO to have carried this out, however, I still print off the SJAR and hand it to the subject as there is still an opportunity to ensure it is correct before it is finalised.

You have been let down by your 1st and 2nd RO's as they have not checked your front cover properly and should have noticed that the date that you set your Personal Objectives were outside of the Reporting period covered.

Ultimately, you have let yourself down by not checking. As an RO with significant experience, I cannot stress enough how important it is to check your SJAR. It is your future promotion and career at stake!

This is a really pertinent post from an individual who "cares", he is both looking after his staff and at the same time ensuring no criticism could come his way. If only the F6442 system i had to contend with had been replaced by computerised SJARs.
 

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Why are you reading it on his computer? Your SJAR would have been in your workflow and you have up to 5 days to tick the no comments and moving back to the 1st RO.

Read on his PC so he could ping it to me then I could send it straight on to next RO. The obvious spelling and grammar were checked and I know I'd updated my JPA for aspirations and objectives etc. My trouble is I trusted a FS and CT to know how to do SJARs properly but you are quite correct in everything you said.

Honestly, having come from a Sqn where my FS was a stickler for quality SJARs, I was shocked at how bad the SJAR reporting is on 33 Eng. For example I had my 1st MPAR in 5 years last month and I was the only SNCO that I know of that gave MPARs. These SJAR courses should be mandatory for SNCO's, not voluntary, especially the older ones who were SNCO's before JPA came in and didn't get the brief on IMLC.
 

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My understanding is that SJAR courses are now mandatory, unless it's just my management that have made them so in our Section. Their is a 1st RO one that lasts a whole day for SNCO's and above and a half day one for JNCO's down that is just a subjects one. I also know that my management have sent a number of more senior Cpls onto the RO's one as they are expected to write SJARs for their own development which are then sent via word to the true 1st RO for titallation if required.
 

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Did the 1st RO course at a secret North Yorkshire base & it was the best one I have attended. Well worth it!

Also found out an interesting point ref PSB scoring & codes.

Apparently if you select RAF NO MOVE on your employee preferences it's marked as negative by the board. Something to do with no vision for the future & content to stay in your comfort zone. Blimey!
 

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Did the 1st RO course at a secret North Yorkshire base & it was the best one I have attended. Well worth it!

Also found out an interesting point ref PSB scoring & codes.

Apparently if you select RAF NO MOVE on your employee preferences it's marked as negative by the board. Something to do with no vision for the future & content to stay in your comfort zone. Blimey!

Yes and no. If you've been in post for several years and have RAF No Move then it could show that you have no desire to diversify and are content to stagnate in your current post. PSB's are more and more looking at individuals who can perform well in a number of specialisations of a trade and the No Move marker suggests that you don't want to move on. Use the comments boxes to explain and expand on your AOC and they may understand more why you want to stay where you are. Don't forget you can stay at the same location but move posts to display diversity in different roles. Trade/rank differences will apply.
 

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Yes and no. If you've been in post for several years and have RAF No Move then it could show that you have no desire to diversify and are content to stagnate in your current post. PSB's are more and more looking at individuals who can perform well in a number of specialisations of a trade and the No Move marker suggests that you don't want to move on. Use the comments boxes to explain and expand on your AOC and they may understand more why you want to stay where you are. Don't forget you can stay at the same location but move posts to display diversity in different roles. Trade/rank differences will apply.

Is that actually gen? That is part of the jpa dump that is submitted for boarding?

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Does the PSB read paper copies of SJARs or JPA splash screen style copies?
 
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