Raf fire service open to officer's.

[br9mp81]

Is there any truth in the rumours that officers are being recruited direct into the RAF as officers in the fire trade?

 

[SirSaltyHelmet]

I know of one ex ranker volleyball player who got commissioned recently ad a Fire Officer

 

[techie_tubby]

They never had officers before?? Learn something new every day. What would their chain of command be then officer wise?? SATCO?

 

[SirSaltyHelmet]

All looked after from ATC. Most Fire Sections had a WO man

 

[Spearmint]

I know of one ex ranker volleyball player who got commissioned recently ad a Fire Officer

Literally just passed out of Cranditz?

 

[stingray888]

There have been quite a few firemen commissioned over the years. Most have stayed in the trade, at Catterick then Manston. All our officers were Rock Apes prior to 1975 when we were separated from the Regiment then it became ATC or anybody else who was available. All of our specalist officers were civies based at Manston.

 

[opsgeek]

I know one not long since graduated, married to a friend of mine.

 

[SirSaltyHelmet]

I know one not long since graduated, married to a friend of mine.

Dejavu !!!!

 

[br9mp81]

thanks for your replies i had read elsewhere that there was more than just one in the pipeline,given all that is going on with mod fire cover,dfrmo and raffs at the moment i was just thinking about looking at serco shares thats all!

 

[skevans]

The RAF Fire Service currently has around 4-6 (ex TG8 Fire) officers who have been internally commisioned from the ranks in the Ops Support (Fire) cadre. many other ex TG8 specialists are supporting the trade or available to support the trade up to and including Wing Cdr.

It was envisaged to populate this cadre with 16 junior officers, 4 Sqn Ldrs and one Wing Cdr. Further promotion will (justifiably) remove personnel from the trade.

The commisioning scheme for officers in this select offshoot of the Ops Support branch does not allow for direct entry therefore all candidates must have served as TG 8 Firefighters. It is my understanding that they must also be operational crew commanders, qualified as watch managers, as a bare minimum.

I may be in the far reaches of my trade, and therefore my information may be dated. However the central facts are that crew commanders or above can apply for internal commisioning.

 

[br9mp81]

The RAF Fire Service currently has around 4-6 (ex TG8 Fire) officers who have been branch commisioned from the ranks in the Ops Support (Fire) cadre. many other ex TG8 specialists are supporting the trade or available to support the trade up to and including Wing Cdr.

It was envisaged to populate this cadre with 16 junior officers, 4 Sqn Ldrs and one Wing Cdr. Further promotion will (justifiably) remove personnel from the trade.

The commisioning scheme for officers in this select offshoot of the Ops Support branch does not allow for direct entry therefore all candidates must have served as TG 8 Firefighters. It is my understanding that they must also be operational crew commanders, qualified as watch managers, as a bare minimum.

I may be in the far reaches of my trade, and therefore my information may be dated. However the central facts are that crew commanders or above can apply for brach commisioning.

thanks for that,i'm putting two and two together and getting six now as to the way ahead for mod fire cover,i think the writings on the wall to be seen so to speak.
I changed the colour of my jacket to dark blue 20 years ago,but iirc they commissioned a fmn in the 80s and tried to send him to a rock sqn/gdt section.
i think its fair to say things are only going to get tighter and smaller in the next few years i just wish they would have the balls to tell us sooner rather than later.

 

[firestorm]

Welcome back Skevans, where have you been fella?

I may now re-join as an occifer..........maybe not!DT_Xtremez_28:

 

[tommo9999]

I was the Sqn clerk on FRTS at Catterick 86-88 and there were 3 newly commissioned Fire Officers there then - they wore RAF Regt mudguards despite not having to do JROC. Went down like a bag of spew as I recall. There was a problem when the first one was being posted as PMC wanted to use him as a normal rock officer which clearly he wasn't.

 

[Climebear]

The RAF Fire Service currently has around 4-6 (ex TG8 Fire) officers who have been branch commisioned from the ranks in the Ops Support (Fire) cadre. many other ex TG8 specialists are supporting the trade or available to support the trade up to and including Wing Cdr.

It was envisaged to populate this cadre with 16 junior officers, 4 Sqn Ldrs and one Wing Cdr. Further promotion will (justifiably) remove personnel from the trade.

The commisioning scheme for officers in this select offshoot of the Ops Support branch does not allow for direct entry therefore all candidates must have served as TG 8 Firefighters. It is my understanding that they must also be operational crew commanders, qualified as watch managers, as a bare minimum.

I may be in the far reaches of my trade, and therefore my information may be dated. However the central facts are that crew commanders or above can apply for brach commisioning.

The RAF does not offer Branch Commissions anymore (it stopped in 2002). The only methods of commisioning to Flt Ops (Fire) are from TG8(Firefighters) through either the internal commisioning scheme (ie full Cranwell and normal pay scales) or Commissioned Warrant Officer. Details in AP3393 Chapter 3 Section 5 (available on the intranet).

 

[AbuNajiWaterRat]

all that is going on with mod fire cover,dfrmo and raffs at the moment i was just thinking about looking at serco shares thats all!

I assume you think SERCO could take over the running of our money guzzling defence fire services? If so, I wouldn't think this alone would boost SERCO shares.

 

[br9mp81]

I assume you think SERCO could take over the running of our money guzzling defence fire services? If so, I wouldn't think this alone would boost SERCO shares.

maybe not,and i agree that money is wasted on some aspects of the job,the troops on the ground will be stabbed in the back first as it is there are probley more white shirts than "pumps on the run".
if the whole job lot of mod fire cover was sold off to the lowest bidder i don't think it would be that long before someone was looking to try it with the lafs,if you take denmark for an example a company called falack run the fire service and who owns them iirc "group four"
lets not forget the airfield support service planned sell out in the 2000s,there must have been some money to be made on that one.

 

[skevans]

Welcome back Skevans, where have you been fella?

I may now re-join as an occifer..........maybe not!DT_Xtremez_28:

I'm still here, but having lost one rank thanks to posting on e-goat I don't intend to lose another!

I'll just lurk for the most part until I can say my piece without lifelong financial implications.

 

[firestorm]

maybe not,and i agree that money is wasted on some aspects of the job,the troops on the ground will be stabbed in the back first as it is there are probley more white shirts than "pumps on the run".
if the whole job lot of mod fire cover was sold off to the lowest bidder i don't think it would be that long before someone was looking to try it with the lafs,if you take denmark for an example a company called falack run the fire service and who owns them iirc "group four"
lets not forget the airfield support service planned sell out in the 2000s,there must have been some money to be made on that one.

You are correct. A group4 off shoot stop the fire service in Denmark and the way te Tories are looking at us it won't be long until the UK fire service goes the same way. More and more parts of our our service have been privatised.

Sorry to hear of your predicament Skevans, I always thought your posts were very reasoned.

 

[br9mp81]

You are correct. A group4 off shoot stop the fire service in Denmark and the way te Tories are looking at us it won't be long until the UK fire service goes the same way. More and more parts of our our service have been privatised.

Sorry to hear of your predicament Skevans, I always thought your posts were very reasoned.

is it true your training in LFB is going over to private contract,i always hoped you lot where going to take manston off our books and have it as a major south east training centre.

 

[firestorm]

is it true your training in LFB is going over to private contract,i always hoped you lot where going to take manston off our books and have it as a major south east training centre.

It's true. As of April over a century of tradition ends as we will no longer have the capability to train ourselves. Babcock will do all of our training, "winning" a 20 year contract. We won't be coming to Manston though.
Training privatised, fire engines and equipment privatised, PPE privatised and our 999 control is next in line.