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Pulling the plug?

busby1971

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How do people who don’t use EVs know that the infrastructure isn’t there yet, you might not like the Tesla one screen set up, but it’s one of biggest selling cars out there, so enough people seem to like them.

Before the current bump in energy prices (impact of Ukraine invasion) the cost of an EV was offset by running costs, if the high prices become the norm then the balance will remain against the EV, especially roadside charging, unless petrol prices jump up.

There will be reliable petrol and diesel cars, for most, on the roads for the next 20 years, so no one is forcing anyone to flip over, if they don’t work for don’t worry a lot of us on here won’t be around then.
 

kawoloki

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There is an MG dealer near us which has about a dozen new ones ( MG 4) I think. They have been there a while.
Obviously not selling well. I wouldn't entertain one. Don't like them.
Expensive, infrastructure not there yet and made in China.
The range of the MGs would do for us, leaving the bigger SUV for long trips and towing.
We have a self charging hybrid SUV, which is pretty good and a petrol powered small car.
Our neighbour's son has Tesla model Y as a company car. (He works for one of leccy companies). He likes it. He says it's very comfortable and roomy for his family. Range is good. Obviously tax advantages for him. Its a £50K car.
I really don't like the design, nearly everything controlled by a big touch screen. Looks like someone simply stuck a big I pad on the dash.

Slightly off topic but there's definitely been a recent trend from most manufacturers to remove physical buttons and stick all controls on a screen. Some try to do it intelligently by having permanent areas for fan / heat control etc but often you need to hunt through menus to find and change anything, which has its obvious dangers while on the move. In the VW EVs they have the permanent controls but not backlit soo you can't see them at night..

All in the name of cost cutting, cars are now like video games, release a hunk of junk and let the customers be the beta testers for the ongoing updates and patches.
 

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Before the current bump in energy prices (impact of Ukraine invasion) the cost of an EV was offset by running costs, if the high prices become the norm then the balance will remain against the EV, especially roadside charging, unless petrol prices jump up.

There will be reliable petrol and diesel cars, for most, on the roads for the next 20 years, so no one is forcing anyone to flip over, if they don’t work for don’t worry a lot of us on here won’t be around then.

I don't thing you'll ever see a huge swing ala petrol prices jumping up. This'll be a deliberate (like it always is) cranking of the handle by the oil producers, in tune with what will be a steadily rising electricity rate as the investors funding the next gen fusion plants (Tokamak) will be wanting a decent return. Like the slow increasing boiling of the frog analogy.

I may get a milk float as a 2nd car for the wife, but I find them totally soulless, there is no 'Smiles Per Gallon' and I've given the fastest Tesla (a few years ago now) a good thrashing. Otherwise I'll stick to my nice big torque dino juice burners that give kids cancer.
 

Mustang

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EV's nice idea, polar bears saved, rain forest grows, trees hugged all is good, a four wheel drive route straight into St. Greta's knickers.

Certainly spending in excess of 30K for a motor, just for the outside chance of fondling Greta's norks is outside my current thinking.
1. I feel sick.:sick:
2. She has norks? Not that I'm keen on seeing her photos.
 

Rigga

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Im not biased at all…but I wont get an EV until Diesel is withdrawn from UK. I still recon that a five or even ten year old diesel is mor eco friendly than a new EV drawing excessive power from the National Grid, that has built-In obsolescence of a few years and is bad for roads and multi-story car parks.
 

vim_fuego

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I use a hire car most weeks for work. Annoyingly they often don’t have what I ordered when I arrive at Manchester Airport Hire Car ‘Village’ so, for the first few times, they tried to befuddle me with ‘Ahh Mr Fuego, because you’re a valued, loyal and handsome customer we’re giving you an upgrade to an EV’. My reply ‘Fcuk off…I’ll take a proper upgrade to that Range Rover I can see parked up or I’m going on a dirty protest’.

No shit has been smeared to date.

There is no way I can take an EV. I’m a highly important resource [hero] who charges a crippling amount per hour. My clients won’t want to pay for me as I search for a working charging point then sit for an hour scratching my balls whist I get a hundred miles worth of juice in. I do 400 over four days away ffs.
 

Warwick Hunt

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Just leading on from this thread a bit, I am looking at changing mine at the mo and an option is a plug-in hybrid. Can anyone who is a lot more in the know re: cars that I am provide a bit of advice with these, e.g. are they worth it? I know this is a daft question (as I said, I know very little re: cars) but I take it that means that it uses petrol and has an electric motor as a back-up? No, it's not a WAH!
 

Spearmint

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Just leading on from this thread a bit, I am looking at changing mine at the mo and an option is a plug-in hybrid. Can anyone who is a lot more in the know re: cars that I am provide a bit of advice with these, e.g. are they worth it? I know this is a daft question (as I said, I know very little re: cars) but I take it that means that it uses petrol and has an electric motor as a back-up? No, it's not a WAH!
Depending on the make/model, you can get a little bit of range on battery power only, before the engine kicks in to charge. Ultimately it depends on what you want from it i.e., towing, just short town trips, long distance etc. I find the BMW 330i Hybrids quite capable for pootling around town before allowing you to open the taps on the motorway to munch the miles.
 

Barch

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I have a year 2000 Toyota self-charging hybrid and as far as I am concerned it is the bee's knees.

It runs on petrol unless you select electric but the clever bit is that it runs petrol and electric during high loads reducing the amount of petrol used and recharges as you take your foot off.
 

fourteen2two

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Our Hyundai self charging hybrid switches between electric and petrol automatically. Economy very good and lots of power if you want it.
They do a plug in too but it has a lower towing limit and costs more. We actually test drove one but the salesman put it in self charge mode as it hadn't been plugged in. You could select EV or leave it to do its thing!
 

busby1971

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Just leading on from this thread a bit, I am looking at changing mine at the mo and an option is a plug-in hybrid. Can anyone who is a lot more in the know re: cars that I am provide a bit of advice with these, e.g. are they worth it? I know this is a daft question (as I said, I know very little re: cars) but I take it that means that it uses petrol and has an electric motor as a back-up? No, it's not a WAH!
Just remember the range is about as accurate as quoted petrol ranges at the bottom of adverts, about 80% in summer and 60% in winter, and will reduce over the years depending on how you use and charge it.

I don’t get PHEV, seems like the worst of both worlds and always wondered what the maintenance costs are, I had a mild hybrid Kia as a long term rental, didn’t see much benefit on the fuel economy, it broke the electrical boost system (2 yo) so had to hand it back, also had a CHR self charging a few years back and that was spot on as a car.
 

vim_fuego

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My hire car week before last was an Audi Q2 S Line 35 TFSI S-A. All that muddle of letters and number meant it was a 1.5 petrol soft hybrid. I have had 20 different cars of a similar standing or bigger since last Autumn and this one stood out by a country mile for comfort and economy. This time I had it dropped to me in Cornwall and whizzed to Brize then the North West where I pounded our another 400 miles commuting around. It averaged 48 mpg. It was comfy and handled well. My only complaint is that its spec did not come with Intelligent cruise control which for me now is an absolute must for taking the strain off the driver [me].

So if you're looking for a switch up to a form of hybrid I can't recommend the Q2 enough.
 
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