JNCO Drafters

[LilStill]

That much discussed prospect, it appears, is finally coming true. Manning currently advertising for 4x JNCO Career Managers, presumably as a trial, to career manage Cpl's and OR's. Does this mean us lowlife will get to phone Manning directly again?! Furthermore, is this is a good or bad move?

Thoughts please

 

[Downsizer]

Bad idea IMO. I'd want to see a thorough system of checks and safeguards in place before my career was managed by a JNCO. I think you need the experience that comes with being a senior for such an important job. Apart from one intransigent kn0b, I've found manning largely helpful.

What is the reasoning behind this move? Job protection for TG17?

 

[Barch]

Bad idea IMO. I'd want to see a thorough system of checks and safeguards in place before my career was managed by a JNCO. I think you need the experience that comes with being a senior for such an important job. Apart from one intransigent kn0b, I've found manning largely helpful.

What is the reasoning behind this move? Job protection for TG17?

I don't think it is for JNCOs to be career managers but to get career managers for JNCOs.

 

[Downsizer]

JNCO Drafters

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[Downsizer]

I don't think it is for JNCOs to be career managers but to get career managers for JNCOs.

It is for Cpls to become career managers for other Cpls and below.....

 

[LilStill]

I don't think it is for JNCOs to be career managers but to get career managers for JNCOs.

No, it is for Corporal's to do the Career Managing job... they will be career managing SAC's and Cpl's.

 

[Barch]

No, it is for Corporal's to do the Career Managing job... they will be career managing SAC's and Cpl's.

Does that mean that existing posts will be disestablished or is it a job creation scheme?

 

[Spearmint]

Ah so I did read Lilstill's original post correctly.

It's an absolute shocking idea considering just how quickly some folk (And it shows in both their maturity and approach to life) get their tapes.

I've 16yrs under my belt and still a Cpl. I'll let you guess just what my reaction would be to finding out I've just been beaten with that mythical carrotless stick by someone with less time on their belt and half of the life experiences.

 

[briggfairy]

hang on lets just think about this for a moment, an admin bod can theoretically be promoted within 4 years to cpl, managing careers of techies who to be eligible for promotion must go through another rank and at least another 18 months service.

errrrr no sorry that doesn't seem right to me, especially as I left as an sac t as i was unhappy with the way my career was being managed and decided to take control back.

 

[Sospan]

Are TG17 just about to go under the spotlight of Job Evaluation before the new pay scheme?

 

[4everAD]

Bingo SOSPAN!

 

[Humble Scribe]

Why not? ACOS manning is currently chronically undermanned (as recognised by CASWO's annual report and other members of the AFB) following the CSR reductions and a paper was submitted to COS Pers to buy back some of the liability and give JNCO's the fantastic opportunity to experience Career Management before, potentially being promoted and taking up post as SNCO CM's themselves. These JNCO's will be selected from a list of volunteers and carefully managed by experienced CM SNCO's who currently lack direct managerial experience; a win-win scenario. Whilst eventually given full CM responsibility for managing JNCO's and below these JNCO CM's will receive the same level of training as the SNCO's, will work along side them and will come under the same governance that all CM's do. They will be strategically placed in certain trade groups (that has yet to be decided) and will allow the SNCO's in these areas to engage more with personnel under TSCM, answer your e-mails and occasionally answer the phone DT_Xtremez_14: The JNCO's will not replace any of the SNCO's just give them more capacity in certain areas where they are employed.

Another recommendation of CASWO's report was the empowerment of JNCO's (as we have some very talented ones in TG17 as well as other trades) and this initiative will give this small number of JNCO's an opportunity in an environment that has traditionally been a bastion for crusty old SNCO's! I don't think anyone has anything to worry about as many of the current crop of CM's are recently promoted and have been doing a fantastic job.

 

[Ex-Splitter and Proud]

Why not? ACOS manning is currently chronically undermanned (as recognised by CASWO's annual report and other members of the AFB) following the CSR reductions and a paper was submitted to COS Pers to buy back some of the liability and give JNCO's the fantastic opportunity to experience Career Management before, potentially being promoted and taking up post as SNCO CM's themselves. These JNCO's will be selected from a list of volunteers and carefully managed by experienced CM SNCO's who currently lack direct managerial experience; a win-win scenario. Whilst eventually given full CM responsibility for managing JNCO's and below these JNCO CM's will receive the same level of training as the SNCO's, will work along side them and will come under the same governance that all CM's do. They will be strategically placed in certain trade groups (that has yet to be decided) and will allow the SNCO's in these areas to engage more with personnel under TSCM, answer your e-mails and occasionally answer the phone DT_Xtremez_14: The JNCO's will not replace any of the SNCO's just give them more capacity in certain areas where they are employed.

Another recommendation of CASWO's report was the empowerment of JNCO's (as we have some very talented ones in TG17 as well as other trades) and this initiative will give this small number of JNCO's an opportunity in an environment that has traditionally been a bastion for crusty old SNCO's! I don't think anyone has anything to worry about as many of the current crop of CM's are recently promoted and have been doing a fantastic job.

Wasn't that exactly the same argument used when introducing PCSOs to support the Police?
(substitute "JNCO" with "PCSO" and "SNCO" with "police constable" into the text above)

It sounds less like addressing the real issue (lack of skilled, experienced and qualified resource) and more like introducing career management on the cheap.....

 

[skullster704]

Why do CMs have to be shineys? Who understands the career progression and operational requirements of techies/ stackers etc better than techies/ stackers etc?

Do what the RAAF does- techie Cpls and below- your CM is a FSgt techie (heavy or fairy), not a shiney.

Techie SNCOs- WO techie CM.

WO techies is an old boys club anyway- CM is a commisioned ex-WO (min Flt Lt) Engo/ Logo etc.

Each CM is given a geographic area of responsibility, and they all talk to each other about moves between areas.

Extend across other trades the same way.

 

[Barch]

Why do CMs have to be shineys? Who understands the career progression and operational requirements of techies/ stackers etc better than techies/ stackers etc?

Do what the RAAF does- techie Cpls and below- your CM is a FSgt techie (heavy or fairy), not a shiney.

Techie SNCOs- WO techie CM.

WO techies is an old boys club anyway- CM is a commisioned ex-WO (min Flt Lt) Engo/ Logo etc.

Each CM is given a geographic area of responsibility, and they all talk to each other about moves between areas.

Extend across other trades the same way.

Don't be so sensible ...

 

[skullster704]

Don't be so sensible ...

There are many things in the antipodean flying club that make me say "WHY would you do it like that?".

This is one lesson that SHOULD be learnt by the Mother Air Force, from her offspring.

 

[Dazzy26]

Why do CMs have to be shineys? Who understands the career progression and operational requirements of techies/ stackers etc better than techies/ stackers etc?

Do what the RAAF does- techie Cpls and below- your CM is a FSgt techie (heavy or fairy), not a shiney.

Techie SNCOs- WO techie CM.

WO techies is an old boys club anyway- CM is a commisioned ex-WO (min Flt Lt) Engo/ Logo etc.

Each CM is given a geographic area of responsibility, and they all talk to each other about moves between areas.

Extend across other trades the same way.

What an incredible idea....... Oh wait a minute you mean the way it was about 15 years ago when each Trade had their own specialists running the Manning desks!! With the Manning levels in certain trades we couldn't do it now, with the experience that is required, but I do totally agree that there should be a couple of Trade Specialists there who understand the requirement and trade language spoken.

IMHO the CM's are continually fighting fires at the moment and are suffering the same manpower shortfalls as everywhere else. The individuals on my desk do a bloody good job but will never be able to please everyone all the time. I hope the Cpl's being brought in to do this role have the proper experience, go through some form not selection and are not just posted in as 'bums on seats'

 

[skullster704]

What an incredible idea....... Oh wait a minute you mean the way it was about 15 years ago when each Trade had their own specialists running the Manning desks!!

No, it's NOT the same as the old system- it's been inspired by current Japanese production industry practices, and as such will require extensive consultation (for which I will tender, at a special MOD rate, of course). And in 2 years time another Airship will get promoted, and their knighthood.