Janet And Janet Books For Primary School Kids?

[True Blue Jack]

Can't help but agree with you, then again at what age can you start to teach kids before their parents beliefs have already taken a hold of them?

Speaking from personal (and in hindsight, shameful, experience): When I was 7 we had a new kid start at our school, his name was Mahmood and was the first coloured kid any of us had met. We bullied crap out of him until his parents moved him to another school. It only took us half a term. It was around the same age that we started insulting the less popular kids at school by calling them "gayboy" and "homo". Maybe if we had been taught a little tolerance a couple of years earlier it would not have happened.

Kids pick up on things far more easily, and at a far younger aqe, than we give them credit for. They do not need to be told "it's OK to be gay", they just need to be made aware, on an almost subliminal level, that it is a lifestyle which exists and is acceptable. I think these books are a great way to do it.

 

[TrenchardsLoveSock]

Thats my point! I am not happy to accept that as old fasioned, that should still be the ideal. Yes I know stuff can go bad between married couples and I know there are homosexuals around, but my issue is that kids are getting taught that it is okay, and just as normal.

Stability of a normal old fashioned family might just help with the social problems dragging our country down.

Not that many normal old fashioned families these days.

A lot of same sex relationships are a hell of a lot more stable than the heterosexual Jeremy Kyle feckwits who bump uglies and then bring their kids up to be proud of their ASBOs.

 

[Mug?]

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A lot of same sex relationships are a hell of a lot more stable than the heterosexual Jeremy Kyle feckwits who bump uglies and then bring their kids up to be proud of their ASBOs.
15 Hours Ago 19:57

I am not against same sex relationships, just the blanket teaching of it to those that may never come accross one.

I agree and would have no problem with books about such families showing how deprived the kids turn out and how daft they look in their chav uniforms. How, if the kids put a bit of effort in could be smarter than their parents (if they know who they are)

I am not against same sex relationships, just the blanket teaching of it to those that may never come accross one.

I would also ban the kyle type shows that somehow seem to give the type credability and replace them with the boring school programs we used to have, at least that would either teach the layabouts something or get them out the house?

 

[Comms_Lad]

I think we are all missing the big picture here, forget about the subject of the books and ask the question will the kids learn anything in school if all schools are worried about are being politically correct (gonna cillit bang my fingers for typing that) and fluffy bunny.

Ffs they are kids let them learn and play at the same time. Teach them things that will be useful, hell just teach them.

I dont mind what my boys read (ages 5 and 2) as long as they can read, I was reading Stephen King at the age of 8 (The Stand what a book) and I managed to not grow up into a complete psychotic weirdo, so why would reading about gays make kids gay????

I also believe if the teachers are going to read these books or let the kids read these books they should be prepared to answer questions as well as the parents and that the parents should be given the choice of whether they want their children to be reading these books.

That last point is to allow parents some responsibility for their own kids education as a lot of parents believe that schools should be the teachers and are quick to blame when their kids do something wrong. The government is also trying to tell parents what they believe their kids should learn and thats not right.


Sorry this was a long post and I hope it makes sense lol

p.s. my 5yr old read me a story the other night and I was chuffed to bits because he read it didnt ask for any help on any words and he enjoys reading i dont need to ask for anything more.(there were no gays in this one though lol)

 

[wgaf]

Reading the threads that have been posted so far I think people are getting a bit carried away. These books will be about loving relationships between adults, not hardcore porn fests where John and James get down and dirty.
I understand that a lot of Service people are homophobic, most of us were recruited to be so and no amount of signing for diversity pamphlets I have no intention of reading will change that. I think I am of a minority in my peer group within the Forces because I have never had a problem with homosexuality, my parents had a gay friend when I was growing up and I always knew that it wasn't for me but I never felt that this guy was any less normal than me either. Surely letting kids make their own descisions about these matters is a better way forward, after all people are born gay they don't choose it, the world can only better if people start to remember that.

The latest research points to the fact that from the age of 18 months and upward kids can be indoctrinated into certain 'lifestyle' types. People are very rarely born gay, it is now being shown that experiences whilst growing up can and will sway them.
My kids are a bit older and they both know what a homosexual or a lesbian are, they also understand that whilst these people are human beings and should be treated as such they are not NORMAL. The whole purpose of the urge to have sex is to procreate. Doesn't matter how long or how often homosexuals/lesbians have sex they will never procreate. It's not a natural act full stop.

 

[True Blue Jack]

That last point is to allow parents some responsibility for their own kids education as a lot of parents believe that schools should be the teachers and are quick to blame when their kids do something wrong. The government is also trying to tell parents what they believe their kids should learn and thats not right.

I couldn't agree with you more. I have friends with the view that school is the place for learning and will rant on for hours about why it is not their job to read with their kids at home, etc. I sometimes go too far the other way and once had an argument with my daughter's teacher over how she was taught to add columns of numbers. I also told the headteacher that I was not going to 'ask his permission' to take my kids on holiday during term-time because they would learn more at our holiday destination than in the classroom. (We went to Disneyland Paris but I ddn't tell him that until afterwards!)

I do, however, believe that Government has a role to play in deciding how our kids are educated. The principle of the National Curriculum is sound, but it still needs some work. Personally I would like to see a little less emphasis on algebra, Shakespeare and the Periodic Table and the gap created filled with lessons in life-skills, e.g., how to get a job, how to balance a household budget, responsibilities of parenthood, etc.

 

[Boarderlyne]

As a parent, this is a difficult thread to reply to (but then again most of the posters have been parents so I will have a go).

I think that the age aspect is the most difficult thing for most of us to get over. 5 is a bit young to even think about how babies get into the world without going into details about other ways of living. But that said, any idea of improving tolerance has to be good. I do my best not to inflict any of my prejudices onto my kids and I hope that they will be better people than I was. I was lucky in the fact that I never realised that my dad had an irrational dislike of blacks. I was in my late 20's when he said that he never trusted a black person. I was gobsmacked. So I was lucky that my parents never tried to imprint their ideas in that manner onto me or my brothers.

That idea of non-imposal of ideas went across the spectrum. I have never had a drama with anyone that was gay. In fact, my best mate at college was gay and we had a great time. He could pick all the blokes and I would pick all the girls. Perfect distribution. DT_Xtremez_30:

The problem is that people seem to think that being gay or pro-gay is an attitude that can be programmed into young minds. It can't. Kids minds sift through everything and reject things that don't make sense to them. Kids will read these books and come home and ask Mum and Dad questions. The usual will be "Dad, why have you not got a boyfriend?" Stock answer is "Daddy doesn't like boys that way". "Ah right. Why?" will be the next line.

And then you explain things in terms that they understand and off they go to watch their DVD or to play with the current favourite toy more than happy that Dad 'knows' how good they are doing/being in school.