French want to bomb Libya?

[sumps]

This is one for the records - The French, after recognising the rebels, want to kick off and drop a few discreet ones on the HQ's in Libya...how long before they have sucked us in then start backing out? DT_Xtremez_32:

HERE from ibtimes (accessed1500/11/03/11)

 

[SirSaltyHelmet]

Obviously baggsying the easiest targets

 

[rest have risen above me]

Gaddaffi must be rubbing his hands in glee. He'll be able to move to Paris when the Frenchies sign an unconditional surrender after a week.

 

[gme7]

I found left winger Baroness Ashton, head of the EUs paper clips (unelected) comments very interesting. This is what happens when you let an ex CND alleged communist run things.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/eu-chief-warns-against-libya-nofly-zone-2239171.html

Hmm one wonders what is the point of NATO, when once again people are dying and all they are doing is talking.

 

[Realist78]

I found left winger Baroness Ashton, head of the EUs paper clips (unelected) comments very interesting. This is what happens when you let an ex CND alleged communist run things.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/eu-chief-warns-against-libya-nofly-zone-2239171.html

Hmm one wonders what is the point of NATO, when once again people are dying and all they are doing is talking.

TBH, I think your point is better aimed at the UN, toothless tigers!

 

[grumpyoldgit]

Gaddaffi must be rubbing his hands in glee. He'll be able to move to Paris when the Frenchies sign an unconditional surrender after a week.

Your being optomistic,a whole week before surrenderingDT_Xtremez_30:DT_Xtremez_30:DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[Ex-Splitter and Proud]

Gaddaffi must be rubbing his hands in glee. He'll be able to move to Paris when the Frenchies sign an unconditional surrender after a week.

C'est bon, nous avons remise!!DT_Xtremez_42:
Avez-vous des fromages?


cup of corrrfeee

 

[beowulf]

There are those that are ideologically opposed to military intervention and think that the UN/EU should be the channel through which this is all resolved.

In the real world both these organisations contain elements that have interests in opposing intervention - usually because those being bombed will be allies/customers. As a result we will all sit around talking while people die in their thousands. The fact Obama is sitting this one out will be interesting to watch.

We are told by the Guardian that violence never solved anything. Except stopping Spanish hegemony, the abolition of slavery, stopping French expansionism, stopping German expansionism, stopping the holocaust, stopping Argentinian expansionism...

 

[AllTechiesNow]

Heard a guy on the news the other day speaking about military intervention.

His basic point was;

Look, if we do this, we're going to have to bomb the sh1t out of the country for starters. As we know, we'll end up killing innocent people, we always do. They'll get annoyed. After this, we'll have to arm the "Rebels". History has taught us time and time again that when we do this, eventually, they'll turn those weapons on us.

Does anyone want that outcome?

 

[252]

Latest news is the French have surrendered to the tsunami(just in case!)DT_Xtremez_42:

 

[ITgeek]

if the frenchies go in doesnt that mean we will have to now that we have signed that joint cooperation deal

 

[Realist78]

There are those that are ideologically opposed to military intervention and think that the UN/EU should be the channel through which this is all resolved.

In the real world both these organisations contain elements that have interests in opposing intervention - usually because those being bombed will be allies/customers. As a result we will all sit around talking while people die in their thousands. The fact Obama is sitting this one out will be interesting to watch.

We are told by the Guardian that violence never solved anything. Except stopping Spanish hegemony, the abolition of slavery, stopping French expansionism, stopping German expansionism, stopping the holocaust, stopping Argentinian expansionism...

That is the thing that gets me, what will it take for the civilised world to say 'fecking hang on, you can't do that to innocent civilians' etc? If Gadaffi and his crones carry on, why are they allowed a voice at the UN? Same goes for that total tw@t Mugabe.

Agree totally.

 

[252]

That is the thing that gets me, what will it take for the civilised world to say 'fecking hang on, you can't do that to innocent civilians' etc? If Gadaffi and his crones carry on, why are they allowed a voice at the UN? Same goes for that total tw@t Mugabe.

Agree totally.

"The Air Force must,if called upon to administer punishment,do it with all its might and in the proper manner. The Attack with bombs and machine guns must be relentless and unremitting and carried out continuously day and night on houses,inhabitants,crops and cattle. This sounds brutal i know,but it must be made brutal to start with"

A shocking sentiment i'm sure you will agree.

So who said this?. Gadaffi?. His defence minister?. The head of his Airforce?.

Well none of them actually. It was Wing Commander JA Chamier in defense of the RAF bombing of defenceless Iraqi villages in 1920.

This contributed in a big way to the unification of the almost ununifiable Kurds,Sunnis and Shias and the ensuing Arab revolt of late 1920.


Just a thought before we start calling others uncivilized and poking our military noses into things we cant possibly predict the long term political consequences of.

 

[John Lloyd]

"The Air Force must,if called upon to administer punishment,do it with all its might and in the proper manner. The Attack with bombs and machine guns must be relentless and unremitting and carried out continuously day and night on houses,inhabitants,crops and cattle. This sounds brutal i know,but it must be made brutal to start with"

A shocking sentiment i'm sure you will agree.

So who said this?. Gadaffi?. His defence minister?. The head of his Airforce?.

Well none of them actually. It was Wing Commander JA Chamier in defense of the RAF bombing of defenceless Iraqi villages in 1920.

This contributed in a big way to the unification of the almost ununifiable Kurds,Sunnis and Shias and the ensuing Arab revolt of late 1920.

Just a thought before we start calling others uncivilized and poking our military noses into things we cant possibly predict the long term political consequences of.

The question being, did it work?

I believe the methodology was:

Leaflet drop 'Stop doing whatever.'

Leaflet drop 'We mean it, stoppit'

Leaflet drop ''Stoppit immediately or we will be back tomorrow 12.00 Sharp.

12.00 Sharp BOOM!

 

[Tin basher]

Reality check. We are a small island near Europe and no longer a world power, no more is two thirds of the global map coloured pink. We have a tiny Air force with few assets and are busy enough playing world police with the spams in Afghan right now. Despite the PM's words and the EU's posturing in actuallity there is very little we (GB PLC) can do about Lybians with tanks killing Lybians with RPG's and AK47's. The days of empire are gone and are now only to be found in the history books.

 

[grey haired chiefy]

Well you do get mirages in the desert don't you !!!

 

[John Lloyd]

Reality check. We are a small island near Europe and no longer a world power, no more is two thirds of the global map coloured pink. We have a tiny Air force with few assets and are busy enough playing world police with the spams in Afghan right now. Despite the PM's words and the EU's posturing in actuallity there is very little we (GB PLC) can do about Lybians with tanks killing Lybians with RPG's and AK47's. The days of empire are gone and are now only to be found in the history books.

Totally agree. We are, what we are. It's time to start looking inward at problems rather than going out looking for them.

 

[Realist78]

"The Air Force must,if called upon to administer punishment,do it with all its might and in the proper manner. The Attack with bombs and machine guns must be relentless and unremitting and carried out continuously day and night on houses,inhabitants,crops and cattle. This sounds brutal i know,but it must be made brutal to start with"

A shocking sentiment i'm sure you will agree.

So who said this?. Gadaffi?. His defence minister?. The head of his Airforce?.

Well none of them actually. It was Wing Commander JA Chamier in defense of the RAF bombing of defenceless Iraqi villages in 1920.

This contributed in a big way to the unification of the almost ununifiable Kurds,Sunnis and Shias and the ensuing Arab revolt of late 1920.


Just a thought before we start calling others uncivilized and poking our military noses into things we cant possibly predict the long term political consequences of.

I'd say slaughtering your own people simply to hang onto power pretty uncivilised.