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effinhell

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I am (still) looking for a CIPD course and have seen the following at Grantham College:

CIPD Certificate in Human Resource Practice Level 3
Cost £925 + £50 registration and duration of 35 weeks with 3 hrs a week at College

and

CIPD Diploma in Human Resource Practice
Cost £1800 + £50 registration and duration of 70 weeks with 3 hrs a week at College

Just wondered if anyone had done any of the above or any goaters had any thoughts on how good these are/would be for when I leave the RAF towards obtaining a decent job?

Not sure what level CIPD membership you get as I still need to contact them but it may be 'upgraded' with 20 odd years experience (here's hoping!)?

Thanks very much
 

fed_up_scribbly

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Effin, Kinguin is currently doing the latter (he's almost finished his 2nd year of the course I believe). Drop him a PM and he'll be more than happy to give you a steer - I'm enrolling for Diploma myself and start in September.
 

True Blue Jack

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It would be worth contacting the school while you're at it. They've put a lot of work into accreditation with CIPD recently; enough that you may be able to shortcut at least part of the qualifications you are looking at.
 

busby1971

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CIPD is changing

CIPD is changing

CIPD is currently going through a change previous courses are being fazed out and new ones are being brought in.

Both of the quallifications you mention are Foundation Level Courses therefore are practitioner level (KG like me is doing the PG Certs and Dips)

The HRP courses replace the old CPP course which you could take as a part of your resettlement (contract funded so no cost to you), you then have to take a couple of extra units to upgrade your CPP to the HRP.

Unless you have a bit of cash floating around I wouldn't bother with the Diploma you mention, the old CPP was the foot in the door so the CHRP should do the same, think of it as a job advert asking for a Class 1 driver, even though they've been C plus E for a long time now.

Once you've got your first qualification then you might want to look at the PG route, if you're looking at Grantham then I think both Lincoln and Leicester run a course that might suit (Avoid Peterborough if you can).

I am doing this route as I feel that having these letters on my CV will get me to interview.

All CIPD members who have gained a qualification are now awarded Associate Membership, you'll be a student member until then, and only when you have completed the the Full PDS scheme do you get the Fellow or Chartered status.

KG and Vinnie are both further down the line than me and may add to the above, Vinnie might be worth PMing as he is already on the outside.
 
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effinhell

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Both of the quallifications you mention are Foundation Level Courses therefore are practitioner level (KG like me is doing the PG Certs and Dips)

The HRP courses replace the old CPP course which you could take as a part of your resettlement (contract funded so no cost to you), you then have to take a couple of extra units to upgrade your CPP to the HRP.

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Thanks for the info, much appreciated.

Am I right that you have to have a CPP or similar before you do the PG course? Or will they take you if you have 20 years experience sort of thing?

I noticed that CPP was offered by Wiltshire College as part of resettlement and wonder if they will (have) to change to the new qual.

All a bit confusing at the mo, I have a boring NVQ at Lvl 4 in Management plus the other Management bits from AMLC but really want/need a CIPD qual to give me half a chance in the real world....as I notice most jobs ask for some sort of CIPD qual..

Cheers
 

busby1971

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It's what you can do

It's what you can do

Thanks for the info, much appreciated.

Am I right that you have to have a CPP or similar before you do the PG course? Or will they take you if you have 20 years experience sort of thing?

I noticed that CPP was offered by Wiltshire College as part of resettlement and wonder if they will (have) to change to the new qual.

All a bit confusing at the mo, I have a boring NVQ at Lvl 4 in Management plus the other Management bits from AMLC but really want/need a CIPD qual to give me half a chance in the real world....as I notice most jobs ask for some sort of CIPD qual..

Cheers

Don't think about what you have but what you think you can do, I got onto the PG route without CPP (I'm doing it in the near future as I couldn't think of anything else to do with my ressettlement grant) although I do have a BSc.

If you can convince the organisation that you are suitable then they will let you start the course, the PG route is about £5K - £6K plus books and costs so make sure you can give it the time it deserves.

Deffo Pm KG and Vinnie as they both know more than me, KG takes some time as he's a pretty busy guy.
 

True Blue Jack

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Further to this, I was talking to the Branch Sponsor yesterday.

DO NOT commit any money just yet. There will be an announcement through airweb at the end of this month about a range of HR qualifications which will be available from September for which rank, length of service and trade qualifications will all give credit. Most of the qualifications will be tied to CIPD up to and including fellowship.
 
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effinhell

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Further to this, I was talking to the Branch Sponsor yesterday.

DO NOT commit any money just yet. There will be an announcement through airweb at the end of this month about a range of HR qualifications which will be available from September for which rank, length of service and trade qualifications will all give credit. Most of the qualifications will be tied to CIPD up to and including fellowship.


Many thanks, I will keep hold of my dosh until then....

cup of corrrfeee
 

KingGuin

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Further to this, I was talking to the Branch Sponsor yesterday.

DO NOT commit any money just yet. There will be an announcement through airweb at the end of this month about a range of HR qualifications which will be available from September for which rank, length of service and trade qualifications will all give credit. Most of the qualifications will be tied to CIPD up to and including fellowship.

Fecking Hell fellah, now you tell me and I'm a couple of Grand lighter.........never mind I'm sure I'm a better man for it lmao.....

That aside, given I was involved at the early stages of the process, I'd be very interested to see what is eventually offered. I've known only of one (Sqn Ldr) who successfully argued a professional portfolio was worthy of equality consideration and, in doing so, managed to skip to the dissertation stage of the PGDip - mind you he did have an MA!
 

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chartered staus

chartered staus

Whatever you do plan your shortest route to Chartered Member, either through courses or the PAC route, either route typically takes around two to three years if your working full time. The best people to advise you on your route is the CIPD

Chartered Member is the only post nominal worth aiming for within this field. Chartered fellow requires 10 years auditable experience at a strategic level in HR, so there arent many that qualify.

Chartered MCIPD is said to add about £5k a year to a typical salary level in HR
 

vinnyvx2

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Effinhell, there has been some good advice on here, I'll try and fill some gaps. I don't know what the RAF is planning re CIPD, however I doubt any airman and I'm assuming you are an airman would get full recognition of RAF training to take you up to Chartered membership. Hence I think you'll probably need to undertake some form of training to top up your CIPD membership. In which case I think it's worth selecting a provider which sets its own exams rather than a provider that gets students to take the CIPD set exams, its easier and the training seems to be of a higher standard as well. If you are an officer I know a couple of Flt Lts/Sqn Ldrs who looked at the PAC route, however the cost put them off (£7K in 2000), plus some doubts as to whether their previous experience covered all areas of the CIPD syllabus. Hence I was on a PG Dip course with a Sqn Ldr (I was a Sgt) I'd recommend Bucks New Uni in High Wycombe. With most providers they want to talk to you about your experience, so embellish, if needs be... and don't mention that tour in GD Flt, or the registry.

On the job front, I'm an HR Manager in a Government dept, in fact I got promoted today to MOD B2/Gp Capt equivalent, always thought the Mil/CS equivalancies were rubbish. Anyway I digress, it's tough at the moment outside, you can land a job, however you need to work hard to get the highest level of CIPD membership. I got Chartered MCIPD within 6 months of leaving based on my experience in the RAF. However I worked in personnel policy for 3 years writing briefing notes for AO Plans on why we shouldn't base JSF at Stornoway etc. So be creative and push yourself hard at work, volunteer, pester OC PMS/OC PSF/Chf Clk for more work and make sure you deliver it and do a bloody good job, as time progresses they'll trust you more and more and should give you some challenging work outside your rank. Mention your CIPD studies in you discussions with them, it'll give you credability beyond your rank, very few Admin Sec officers have CIPD membership. This way you get valuable experience and something decent to put in your CV. i.e I lead the PMS efforts to gain ISO 90002 accrediation when I worked in GD Flt as a Sgt, I can now claim to have successfully implemented ISO 90002, be great at change management, continuous improvement and have a sharp customer focus. oh and I helped write the current RAF redundancy policy, now I'm a policy writing god.

Atleast 2-3 years before you leave think about where you want to settle, check out the larger employers, see what they are looking for from their HR staff and make sure you fit the criteria and then some. Tailor your CV, remove all RAF speak, if your non-RAF wife/husband/mum/dad etc doesn't understand it, its written in RAFesse. I lifted common phrases from HR job adverts and inserted them into my CV to make sure I was using the correct langauge. Its worth reading a stack of HR role profiles on totaljobs.com and understanding the language, if you don't know what it means google it, or look it up on CIPD.co.uk. This way you don't look like an idiot at the local college by saying you are a reward specialist when you in fact checked allowance claims and you don't know the difference between PRP and contribution based pay systems

Don't get hung up on job titles when looking for a role, BP are advertising for an HR adviser at the moment, it pays £50-60K, whereas you'll see plenty of HR manager roles around 40-45K, look at the job description to see exactly what's expected. Don't take a job in the public sector when you leave if you think you'll want to work in the private sector in the future, its very very difficult to make the move.

Final words get the best academic HR qualification you can, especially if like me you didn't go to Uni and left school with no qualifications. Nearly 50% of 18 year olds go to Uni, they are the competition, with the same or better quals plus your experience and a can do attitude it'll give you the edge over them, make the effort to push yourself in your last years in the RAF be the guy the Branch Sponsor (Hi John C) doesn't want to leave, be the guy who turns down promotion to FS to take a better offer in Civvie St.

Good luck and PM me if you want any more info.
 

muttywhitedog

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I believe the Trade Sponsor is about to send out information regarding levels of membership and also about affiliation with Staffordshire University. I e-mailed him last week to have my name added to his list of interested personnel.
 

True Blue Jack

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...very few Admin Sec officers have CIPD membership.

That is very true, for the moment. If the Branch Sponsor is as good as his word we'll have more information on this in the next few days. I know he is very keen that CIPD accreditation covers the entire rank spectrum and isn't restricted to officers. Just how much credit will be awarded for rank/service/TQA is yet to be seen but I know he has gone to great lengths to claim every credit point he can.


I helped write the current RAF redundancy policy.

Off Topic Ah, so that's your fault. :pDT_Xtremez_42:
 
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Nuts

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Hi,

From my experience as an JNCO, you will find that you have not really experienced much that is on the CIPD programme. I left the RAF in April 2010 and landed myself a role as a HR Advisor and within 4 weeks they made a new role for me and promoted me to HR Manager - that was alot of luck on my part!!! For my last 5 years in the service I studied Business Management at uni and just a I left I started the PDS scheme for the CIPD. The PDS is a 3 year course part time and is Level 7 studies. If you have 20 years experience, I personally wouldn't advise the CHRP, its level 3 and I suspect you would be able to apply a bit of common sense and get through that. The new quals to getting CIPD qualified is the MA (HRM) and the PG Cert route. Personally, had I not started the PDS last year I would have certainly done the MA(HRM) this year.
It is not easy to go from RAF HR to civvy street HR without any underpinning HR qual/knowledge.
I heard about what the Trade Sponsor is offering through Staffs Uni and I thought he was already asking for names - maybe on the Spec Spt website (if you still have that). Dont think there are that many places though. Obviously it would be nice to get it funded but if you cant, get yourself enrolled on something accreddited with the CIPD, I suspect a civvy HR role would be difficult to get without it.

Good Luck with it all and if you need any info on the typical course content, PM me.
 
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effinhell

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Thanks for all the info.

I will wait and see what the TS info is and will also email my name as a potential candidate. A few funded places available - gee people won't be happy if they don't get it and have to fund themselves even with their elc - is that right? not sure....

Anyway, I am looking for the PG route but having no quals other than an nvq 4 and some other management stuff so am unsure whether I will get accepted.

Does anyone know if you can do this via distance learning and if so who with?
 

fed_up_scribbly

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An update from the Branch Sponsor is now on the intranet ladies and gents. All the info and self-assessment questionnaires for the "pilot" scheme are included but there only a small number of places - I'm just emailing my interest now!
 
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effinhell

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Sorry I meant to say has anyone heard anything more following their application of interest?

In the meantime I will stfu
 
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