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Chubby Troops!

Robby

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http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/454572/War-chubby-troops-army-fat

Whilst it might be in the Daily Star the fact that the Army has an issue with a significant number of individuals failing fitness/health levels what are the thoughts on RAF levels of fitness?

In the last 10 years my thoughts are that we have become fitter whilst breaking a few others trying to meet the standards, what are you thoughts?

Can we include Pay as You Dine as a factor?.
 

iainrm

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tennis

tennis

Watching the tennis there were a couple of boys in blue who needed to spend more time in the gym.
But it was nice to see we still have sufficient spare manpower to support a great game.
 

vim_fuego

Hung Like a Baboon.
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Watching the tennis there were a couple of boys in blue who needed to spend more time in the gym.
But it was nice to see we still have sufficient spare manpower to support a great game.

It tended to be the same people from my station each year who did Wimbledon...if you fancied a shot the answer was 'Smith's doing it and I can't spare anyone else'

Overall I think the force has got fitter...and less engaged on the whole. You need some fun to bond with something I think.
 

gray

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Watching the tennis there were a couple of boys in blue who needed to spend more time in the gym.
But it was nice to see we still have sufficient spare manpower to support a great game.

(Un)fortunately personal leave is used to cover the time at Wimbledon.
 
RAF Fat Wycombe

RAF Fat Wycombe

One Station which you would have thought would be at the forefront of standards has the 3 fattest people in uniform I have ever seen.

There is a male S/L who gets out of breath walking to the Spar shop.

A female Sgt who must be at least a size 22.

A male Cpl who is without doubt the most disgusting thing I have ever seen in military attire. Anyone who has been taught QA at Halton by the famous 'Chunky' will know what size this guy is. There is no way he is under 20 stone. He is a regular and of course exempt his AFT. He waddles between the domestic site and the working site across a public road and must give the great British public such a great example of how fit the RAF are.

Absolutely horrendous.
 

ninjarabbi

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I raise your tubbies with some of the lards we have here at the home of the RAF. One is a Sqn Ldr who is so fat I swear to God she has her own gravity field. Another is a female JNCO who has legs the size of most peoples waists and who is always the first in line for the Bap Wagon.
 

Witty_Banter

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I've definitely noticed a drop in the overall number of chairborne-piefinders, but the ones we have left seem to overcompensate for the number we've lost. The bases in RAF Lincolnshire see a lot of people cycling and running in the local area and to and from work (which is mental on these roads, if you ask me...)

I think there are probably quite a few factors involved in this:

RAFFT was not really tracked years ago - and when it became more mainstream, the PTIs weren't bright enought to track it properly anyway. It only really came good with the introduction of JPA as a ways and means to track annual attainment. I know quite a few people (some no longer 'in') who never bothered with the RAFFT simply because they were never chased to do it.

The haemorraging (sp?) of manpower coupled with the increase in workload has left a lot less time for people to get out to the gym (though this is less significant in large work areas with lots of manpower cover).

Also a lot less smokers in the miltary than there used to be, which I think has had a positive input to overall RAF fitness levels.
 

Max Reheat

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I raise your tubbies with some of the lards we have here at the home of the RAF. One is a Sqn Ldr who is so fat I swear to God she has her own gravity field. Another is a female JNCO who has legs the size of most peoples waists and who is always the first in line for the Bap Wagon.

is your S/L affectionately known as 'The Gunt' by any chance?
 

timaloy

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There was a sqn ldr at wittering that turned up for AFT, ran a length, then sacked it off coz she was knackered, WTF....she was under the impression as an air trafficer she was too important for the air force to dismiss
 

Dan_Brown

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And there you go, one rule for one and all that! There have been many FOI requests and you can see that many senior officers have either failed or not even bothered to attend the Fitness Test (tri-service).

Where is the parity of treatment there?

Witty mentioned a good point - Fit Tests have always been there, but then almost overnight it became compulsory and a lot of lads who were good at their primary role, but enjoyed the odd pie or 12 were expected to undo years of bodily punishment in a short time scale.

I've seen it myself where lads have signed off rather than embarrass themselves by failing the test. I served with one lad on Herrick in 2013 who managed to do his role for 6 months, but couldn't pass his test - he told me that at one point the military wanted land rovers, but now they want porsches - he banged out too.

I agree that there should be a level of fitness, so tbh i do not know what the alternative is, but what i do feel is that the current MSFT is pants!
 

briggfairy

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Is the answer to this not pretty simple? surely if the fitness test was scrapped and instead the focus shifted onto organised pt sessions, made mandatory for every service person regardless or rank or role a min of 3 times a week within the working day.

no stats to hit, pass/fail, simple straightforward training, if people want to do extra sport or training they can outside of works hours but I feel as a military force this should be a minimum
 

gray

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Is the answer to this not pretty simple? surely if the fitness test was scrapped and instead the focus shifted onto organised pt sessions, made mandatory for every service person regardless or rank or role a min of 3 times a week within the working day.

no stats to hit, pass/fail, simple straightforward training, if people want to do extra sport or training they can outside of works hours but I feel as a military force this should be a minimum

Bring back Wednesday afternoon sports too. The last time I had one was at Locking in 1990 !
 

PraiseBacon

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Unfortunately there isn’t an easy answer to the type of fitness test, as different body types respond better to different types of test.

At the ends of the spectrum Mo Farrah isn’t a great sprinter, but can run for miles – Usain Bold cannot run a marathon but is a great sprinter. Point being, both are very fit, and at the top of their game, but each would fail a test based solely on what the other is built for.

Many years ago, based back in Episkopi – the Coldstream Guards were our resident Battalion. They has a different approach – with different tests for different roles: eg the bulk of the infantry roles did the 1.5 mile squad run out and 1.5 mile individual back (timed) – about once a month IIRC.

Some of the more specialist roles, like the morter platoon (generally bigger and heavier guys who would never pass a 1.5 mile in the allowed time) had a different test involving carrying the mortar units, the projectiles etc (fairly heavy weights) across a distance of 2-3 miles, setting up and firing accurately, all to be completed within a defined time period. This was set so pie eaters would not be able to do it - but bigger guys who would move slower, but carrying heavy weights over distance relatively quickly and being able to operate effectively when they got there, would pass if they maintained a decent standard of fitness

Personal opinions, the bike ride was probably the fairest test I have seen in the RAF from a perspective of balancing fitness v body type, followed by the 1.5 mile run. The beep test is the least fair, for 2 reasons – firstly it isn’t being administered properly, it should be a triangle so you don’t get the stop/start element, and secondly – VO2 Max tests are aerobic capacity tests, they are biased against bigger people (who may be able to move for several miles at a lower average VO2 usage) and people who have any decent muscle mass as the muscle sucks oxygen fast when placed under increasing load.

So what’s the answer – it’s actually to have a choice of a 2-3 tests suiting different body types , all of which need a reasonable standard of fitness to pass (but is attainable with effort – so you don’t get people banging out because they will never pass the test type the mirror tech hierarchy have selected)

But back to the point of the question, both as a brat and in service – there was always a percentage of beer guts waddling round the bases. From reading the thread, there seems to be far fewer of them now (although I wonder if that also correlates top the service being less fun that it used to be as well?! – some of the bigger guys were real team players who moved slowly at times, but never stopped or gave up, until the job was done)
 

techie_tubby

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I really struggle with the bleep test. I ruptured my Achilles on my bleep test in March 2014 as I was turning. Since then I can't complete it to save my life. Just had my med cat changed to do the RWT permanently.
 

Witty_Banter

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What about dumping all the fitness tests, and replacing them with a 'survival' style test?

The purpose of all this running about is, apparently, so that we all maintain a level of combat efficiency - however, none of the tests (perhaps with the exception of the 1.5mile run) come anywhere near actually testing an individual's survivability in the field ("SAC Bloggs, in order to survive being gunned down by the enemy you must back and forth few dozen times whilst gradually increasing speed - only when you reach a sufficent speed will the enemy run out of bullets"...)

If we're going to train for what we're supposed to pass, why not replace the RAFFT / AFT / CFT with a survival weekend? Give everyone a pack, a rifle, and sufficient weight in rat packs / water etc, and make them do a 10 mile cross country assault course or something (not to the SAS standards, obviously...). No time limit, just a limit on the amount of food, water, resources they have etc.

At the end of the assault course, desk riders can then sit for 8 hours and do their job, loadies can and load stuff, etc etc etc..

(I feel the need to point out that in 15 years, I've never had to 'run away from the enemy', be it backwards and forwards to beeps or for 1.5 miles...)
 

he_who_dares_rodney

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Good points in the above posts.
I used to be built like a racing snake so when I was at Wittering I blasted my way round the track on the run after GDT.
Arrived at Halton 5 years later and failed every single bleep test going.
Joined the Army Reserve and passed runing round the airfield plus the reserve CFT.
Got called up failed the bleep test passed the airfield run and CFT.
Sent to regular unit passed the runs round town the 8 mile CFT with 35kg done in under 1:45.
Failed the bleep test.
Passed the battle runs at Hyde and Lyth and the runs round camp at Castle Martin.
Failed another bleep test.

Deployed on Telic 4
Passed the runs at Shiba Log (in boots against the camp PTI advice my boss stated we wouldn't fight in shorts and trainers)and then passed all the runs round Al Ammarah
Bet I would have failed the fitness test.
Got ambushed just outside Basra.
Pepper potted our way forward down cover fire up run past him down repeat a required.
Won the firefight in a text book manner blowing but managed it.
Bet you I would have failed a bleep test.

Funny thing was during the whole 7 months we were there we never approached a situation by running forward turning running back turning and doing that repeatedly.

There are standards to be maintained and people shouldn't be too fat or obese.
I remember getting a fellow MTD down from a vehicle because tubby bloke he was he collapsed after climbing on top of it.

But and it's a big but (scuse the pun) you don't need to be SAS Marine or Para fit to drive a 4 tonner.
Mo Farrah can run like a good un bet he can't fix a tornado.
You have to make exceptions
Bet the tubby girls all bang like belt fed wombats though.

I would imagine one of the things different in the service these days is the fact that most of the singlies aren't in the NAAFI drinking and smoking every night.
Single rooms and the Interweb has probably changed all that.
 

dctyke

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If they want the system it has to be done fairly. How can a junior rank loose his job whilst a small number (usually of a senior rank) blatantly get away with it? I am amazed that there hasn't been a case of unfair dismissal quoting individuals known not to have done the test or failed the test with no further action taken.
 
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