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Boeing boeing gone (maybe)

Tin basher

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Looks like troubled times ahead for Boeing, lawsuits, build quality issues and so on. As one of a very few large volume aviation manufacturers how much do Boeing troubles affect the whole industry? The path to civvy aviation is well trodden route for some ex service types an industry without Boeing surely not.

Boeing is reportedly facing a criminal investigation into the incident (Exit door failure) itself, as well as legal action from passengers aboard the plane.

another report into Boeing's safety culture by an expert panel found a "disconnect" between senior management and regular staff, as well as signs that staff were hesitant about reporting problems for fear of retaliation.

Some carriers may try to obtain Airbus models but a wholesale transfer of orders from the American manufacturer to the European is simply impractical....Both have very full order books. Airbus has a backlog of more than 8,000 planes and Boeing more than 6,000...............There is a potential third player. The Chinese manufacturer Comac has developed the C919, a plane designed to compete with the 737 Max and the A320 neo.



So a large legal mess, discontent on the shop floor and the Chinese potentially muscling in. What next for Boeing and its 6,000 aircraft backlog? To big to fail?
 
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Looks like troubled times ahead for Boeing, lawsuits, build quality issues and so on. As one of a very few large volume aviation manufacturers how much do Boeing troubles affect the whole industry? The path to civvy aviation is well trodden route for some ex service types an industry without Boeing surely not.

Boeing is reportedly facing a criminal investigation into the incident (Exit door failure) itself, as well as legal action from passengers aboard the plane.

another report into Boeing's safety culture by an expert panel found a "disconnect" between senior management and regular staff, as well as signs that staff were hesitant about reporting problems for fear of retaliation.

Some carriers may try to obtain Airbus models but a wholesale transfer of orders from the American manufacturer to the European is simply impractical....Both have very full order books. Airbus has a backlog of more than 8,000 planes and Boeing more than 6,000...............There is a potential third player. The Chinese manufacturer Comac has developed the C919, a plane designed to compete with the 737 Max and the A320 neo.



So a large legal mess, discontent on the shop floor and the Chinese potentially muscling in. What next for Boeing and its 6,000 aircraft backlog? To big to fail?
I think your last 4 words sum it up.

No one else has the capacity to soak up the orders; Airbus would need years to expand production sufficiently, and the Chinese are too big of an unknown for most operators. They may get some orders but it will be slow to build.

Boeing will suffer but the US won't allow them to die. Might be worth buying some shares whilst they are cheap - Rolls Royce were all but written off during the pandemic and they are bouncing back nicely, it's amazing what a huge existing customer base can sustain.
 

Talk Wrench

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Boeing's problems are well documented, especially with their ill advised journey into outsourcing core functions.

One rule of governance that should never be forgotten.

"If you outsource responsibility, you outsource accountability".

Boeing will survive but only if they reshape their production capacity and insource that accountability. Bringing Spirit Aero back into the fold would be a good start.
 

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Saw a graph the other day that suggests that Boeing aren’t having more issues, it’s just that they are all making the news.

A couple of the recent issues were with the NG rather than Max variant, so more likely a maintenance rather than manufacturing issue.

Still think there’s some leadership behaviour issues there
 

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Anything involving a Boeing will be news because they have to have something to write about and keep the story going.

There's another one today about an Alaska Airlines 737 that had a windscreen crack as it was descending. Because that's Boeing's fault obviously. Same as the hydraulic leak on a 10 year old 777 last week.

There's so many Boeings in use something going to happen every day, doesn't make them all the manufacturers fault - door blanks falling off excepted :cool:
 

Tin basher

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Changes afoot at the Boeing top table.

"Boeing boss Dave Calhoun will leave at the end of this year amid a deepening crisis over the firm's safety record. Boeing also said that the head of its commercial airlines division will retire immediately while its chairman will not stand for re-election."

 

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And leadership change, he’ll be doing okay though on the way out
 
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