Firefighters at it again

[sausage2]

Looks like anither strike on the way, Except this time there will be no cover from the military. About time someone stood up to their blackmail. BBC




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[monobrow]

"If Whitehall is experimenting to see what happens if there is no military cover then that is inexcusable.

how about walking out and leaving minimum staff - inexcusable also?? the ones in the lead up to the 2003 conflict were bad enough, but we've already got redunancies, natural wastage, and morale at an all time low. last thing we need is another op fiasco

 

[Bombhead]

DT_Xtremez_32:

You say the military will not cover the lame Fire fighters, but just because we have sold off the Green Goddess don’t think for 1 minute we will not be in the front line again. This time we will be using the equipment they already have as it does not belong to them. It belongs to the council and therefore it will be used in anger.

 

[The Gimp]

In times of national emergency, the government can still call people up for the services, i.e conscription, lets call up all of the on strike firefighters to the mob and pay them as LAC's EASY!!!!!!!!DT_Xtremez_34:

 

[superstacker]

People seem to take for granted that the armed forces (not just the army) will be there in times like that.

With manpower reductions and constant FIST, LEAN and other actions, it will shock people to realise that we simply cannot do it.

For the last strikes i was on OP fiasco zulu, so i was on the last wave of the BART teams that went through. I really didnt feel after five weeks training that i could really enter a burning building and rescue people. I would have done it, but i cant be expected to be able to learn everyone elses job as well as my own.

To give the party line, we are overstretched, undermanned and under funded, so there will be a shock when the MOD says no, we cant cover this...

 

[firestorm]

<<<<draws a deep breath and waits for the incoming>>>>

The military WILL NOT be used in this dispute as our caring govt has cut you all to ribbons and there just isn't enough of you to go around. They also aren't arsed about public or firefighter safety.

2 firefighters were killed last year in Herts. One of the reasons was not enough crew on the initial attack. The solution? Firefighter cuts!
Another stated reason was the lack of qualified officers at the incident. The solution? Cut supervisory officers!

I'm in me bunker awaiting the fallout.

 

[metimmee]

<<<<draws a deep breath and waits for the incoming>>>>

The military WILL NOT be used in this dispute as our caring govt has cut you all to ribbons and there just isn't enough of you to go around. They also aren't arsed about public or firefighter safety.

2 firefighters were killed last year in Herts. One of the reasons was not enough crew on the initial attack. The solution? Firefighter cuts!
Another stated reason was the lack of qualified officers at the incident. The solution? Cut supervisory officers!

I'm in me bunker awaiting the fallout.

Some sort of twisted logic at work here.

Question: When the number of available firefighters drops from 120 to 20, will there be enough qualified officers available to attend? What about the safety of the 20 firefighters covering.

 

[Bombhead]

<<<<draws a deep breath and waits for the incoming>>>>

The military WILL NOT be used in this dispute as our caring govt has cut you all to ribbons and there just isn't enough of you to go around. They also aren't arsed about public or firefighter safety.

2 firefighters were killed last year in Herts. One of the reasons was not enough crew on the initial attack. The solution? Firefighter cuts!
Another stated reason was the lack of qualified officers at the incident. The solution? Cut supervisory officers!

I'm in me bunker awaiting the fallout.

DT_Xtremez_32:

You say we will not be used this time round, but I was put on standby in February along with five of my colleagues in case of a fire strike.

It is nice to see the Fire Fighters only wanting a 16% pay rise and we have to wear many hats and only get 3%. Some people do not know how lucky they are.

 

[Bluntend]

Hetfordshire Fire Brigade strike

Hetfordshire Fire Brigade strike

Here is the official MoD position on the Hertfordshire Strike:

Hetfordshire Fire Brigade strike

Media reports focus on this as the first strike in which the Armed Forces are not assisting. This is a matter for the Hertfordshire Fire and Rescue Service and the Department for Communities and Local Government. The Armed Forces are not an emergency service, and they are neither structured nor trained to provide emergency fire cover. The Armed Forces cannot provide the level of cover provided by professional firefighters, and using them increases the risk to the public. That gap in capability is increasing as the Fire and Rescue Services modernise and take on additional roles. Fire service cover also damages the effectiveness of the Armed Forces and is unfair on those directed away from their duties and training. It could also mean that Service personnel losing out on much deserved leave and time with their families. The removal of the need for the Armed Forces to provide emergency fire cover is an integral part of fire service modernisation. The arrangements put in place by the Hertfordshire Fire and Rescue Service are a significant step forward in this process.

 

[firestorm]

DT_Xtremez_32:

You say we will not be used this time round, but I was put on standby in February along with five of my colleagues in case of a fire strike.

It is nice to see the Fire Fighters only wanting a 16% pay rise and we have to wear many hats and only get 3%. Some people do not know how lucky they are.

A few points. No military have been used on this strike. Its also not about pay (been covered on another thread) its about cuts to service, threatening the lives of firefighters and public alike.
The 16% rise you quoted equated to a little over 4% a year, for "modernising" and taking on a huge chunk of extra work. Perhaps this puts it into a little context?

Its not Fire service v military as the press and govt would have you believe. It never has been and never will be. The Fire service has plenty of ex-service personel in its ranks, it used to be a natural progression from you to us, but now we've "modernisised" thats not the case any more.

 

[Plumber]

The government are getting very good at spliting us all up and getting us to bicker and squabble with each other and then calmly walk off having dumped all the bad press/ blame on everyone else i.e. MOD vs Fire service or Army vs Navy vs RAF at the MOD etc.etc. Just my opinion.

 

[firestorm]

Some sort of twisted logic at work here.

Question: When the number of available firefighters drops from 120 to 20, will there be enough qualified officers available to attend? What about the safety of the 20 firefighters covering.

So the answer is to cut the service then? Logical! Short term, long term.

 

[Barney]

Its not Fire service v military as the press and govt would have you believe. It never has been and never will be.

So just who do our 'chums' in the brigade think will receive the 'shaft' when they all decide to strike?

 

[firestorm]

So just who do our 'chums' in the brigade think will receive the 'shaft' when they all decide to strike?

Well not the military, they are not being used. The public will be shafted, long term, with the closure of 2 fire stations (in a small county) and the downgrading of others that support them. Oh, and their council tax goes up (again) to pay for the reduced service.

 

[per ardua]

well said

well said

Well said my friend. About time these military types woke up and realised that one day they may not get a response from the fireservice when they need it.
They won't be coseted and spoilt with 3 square meals and a bed forever. One fine day they will be out into the big wide world to fend for themselves and find that there ARE NO services to join or even dial 999 for.

 

[wobbly]

Just what are you dribbling on about?


"About time these military types woke up and realised that one day they may not get a response from the fireservice when they need it"

Im not going to even comment on that as its not what the thread is about

"One fine day they will be out into the big wide world to fend for themselves and find that there ARE NO services to join or even dial 999 for."

Do you think we are all born in a blue suit? A large majority worked in civvy street before joining the services and the amount of service leavers that join the fire service upon leaving is minimal. I have been in the RAF for 20 years now and have never known a single person to go to the fire service.

I can understand that this is the only way you can be heard but you seem to think we have it easy in the forces. When was the last time you spent 4-6 months being mortared and rocket attacked in Iraq?. When was the last time you spent the same period without a day off ?


"They won't be coseted and spoilt with 3 square meals and a bed forever"

Spoilt? All the single lads pay for their 3 square meals a day, and they pay for their accomodation, just like yourself. And the bed happens to be a camp bed for a quarter of the year now in the sandbox so get a grip mate and come up with some real stuff to write instead of this garbage. Having a username such as yours one would expect you to be a serving member of the RAF, or at least an ex member who would know better. If you were an ex member you probably left pre 90's when things were all tickedy boo and ship shape. This IS NOT the case nowadays I can tell you.


Firestorm mate, I respect you as you talk facts and figures and also keep us in the know as to why things are happening in the fireservice. We shouldn't be against each other as its not the fire service that are always making us do their jobs, its that pratt Blair and his cronies that are penny pinching and tearing the heart out of every single thing they can to save money to fund South African education. £8 billion indeed.

 

[firestorm]

Thanks for the kind words.

Thanks for the kind words.

...and the open minds.....I think per ardua may have been on a wind up though....DT_Xtremez_15: ...what you reckon?
I only came on all those months ago to "put you all straight!" but I stayed on as its a good site. What ever you do, don't join forces with ARRSE!

 

[wobbly]

Yer, most probably fella DT_Xtremez_42:

We don't intend to join forces going by the reponse of the community to the idea. Funnily enough though, I dont seem to have any reply from the ARRSE admin.

 

[The Panther]

Two best options , 1. Lean the buggers , 2. Multi skill them to fight crime and fires.

This would sort them out , good and proper.

 

[A CLING NERD SHRON]

Two best options , 1. Lean the buggers , 2. Multi skill them to fight crime and fires.

This would sort them out , good and proper.

So when the criminal who has just broken into your house and set it on fire is being chased by what is left of your leaned fire/police service you can just standby and watch it burn down!!!!!

Great idea einstein. As we all know If history repeats itself, I should think we can expect the same thing again.

The firefighters desreve a decent wage for the risk they put themselves at when tackling fires.DT_Xtremez_30: