What's the point of the RAF- Radio 4

[Scaley brat]

as for ****ty useless ex-nav git well I feel sorry he was shot down but you dont hear/see his pilot on tv all the time acting like a gimp. ******, FECK OFF YOU USELESS GIT.

Didn't he forget to do something mission critical, like flick a swith or something?
I have all the respect in the world for his pilot, but Nicholls just strikes me as a mouthy "see you next tuesday". I wish he would just slink off into obscurity.

 

[Dave-exfairy]

As for that useless t1t Nicholls, he's an expert on nothing, it's great having him on our side when all he does is laugh about being crap at drill.

Wasn't there a thread about ex-rankers who were commissioned? Perfect example right there.

 

[Webbo]

Didn't he forget to do something mission critical, like flick a swith or something?
I have all the respect in the world for his pilot, but Nicholls just strikes me as a mouthy "see you next tuesday". I wish he would just slink off into obscurity.

"Nothing on the RHWR"..............................BANG..............EJECT!!!!!!

TW@.

DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[wolfy]

Wasn't there a thread about ex-rankers who were commissioned? Perfect example right there.

He was at a party I was attending when he was a J/T and I came close to smacking him one then. To this day it's still one of my few regrets.

 

[252]

If Fighter Command in 1940 had been under control of the Army then undoutedly the General in comand would not have persuaded Churchill to withdraw the majority of sqaudrons from the(then lost)battle for France as Air Marshall Sir Hugh Dowding was able to.

This would have led to them being decimated over France in a futile attempt to get the Brittish and French armys out of the sh!t

The battle of Brittian would then have been lost due to a lack of machines and pilots and operation Sealion would have swiftly followed
and probably been sucessfull.

Now imagine the horrific consequences if that had happened?......

We would be sat here now watching porn,scoffing Brattys on buns(with curry sauce) and drinking Wobbly before going down to the whorehouse........ermmmmm..........think i need to think this post out a bit moreDT_Xtremez_42:

 

[mightyhunter]

I was listening on iPlayer this morning at 04.30 following a spell of insomnia.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00td8zs/Whats_the_Point_of_..._Series_3_The_RAF/

The conclusions are only made in the last few seconds..
We DO need an Air Force.

I only realised that until I listened to the last few minutes of the broadcast just now. Yesterday, I had to stop listen in fear of my blood pressure going skywards after listening to all the Army-boot-licking sycophants that were in the programme.

 

[Spurdog]

I work in a tri-service environment and to be fair the other services don't have the first clue about air power. After all, it’s very easy to dismiss something you don't understand. I expect the heavily armoured French knights at Agincourt dismissed the English longbows as old fashioned......shortly before they all got slaughtered. Without proper air cover all the fancy ships, tanks and whatnot are just targets. Let’s just hope that the ''airships'' fight our corner and don't get rolled over by the green machine.

 

[Realist78]

I work in a tri-service environment and to be fair the other services don't have the first clue about air power. After all, it’s very easy to dismiss something you don't understand. I expect the heavily armoured French knights at Agincourt dismissed the English longbows as old fashioned......shortly before they all got slaughtered. Without proper air cover all the fancy ships, tanks and whatnot are just targets. Let’s just hope that the ''airships'' fight our corner and don't get rolled over by the green machine.

Are they all passionate about that? I doubt it, the majority of them will be in the sunset of their careers and managing that slide into comfortable retirement so the passion to swim against the tide may be not what it should be.

 

[Fat2at]

This type of thing happens all the time. Suggest an evil, choreograph a media campaign against it, get the public to subconsciously remember the evil so that when you announce you're going to remove the evil no-one objects.

Is it only a coincidence that there have been numerous TV, radio and newspaper articles questioning the need for an Air Force in the past month?

If those who make the decisions think they can save money by absorbing the RAF into the other services, and if they've already sold the idea to the uninformed public, it will happen.

Past history counts for nothing and we all know that there won't be any fighting like GW1 and GW2 ever again will there? We all know that all future conflict will be carried out by infantry on the ground with close air support provided by ac from the AAC or the FAA.

Call me a pessimist but I've seen it all before. If there's a saving to be made and it doesn't affect the voters' day-to-day routine it's a no-brainer for the govt. The only thing that could be in our favour is our working relationship with the U.S. - they wouldn't appreciate a capability gap at the moment whilst skills are transferred. Maybe in a couple of years when things quieten down... 2018 perhaps? Who mentioned a 100 year experiment?

 

[Realist78]

This type of thing happens all the time. Suggest an evil, choreograph a media campaign against it, get the public to subconsciously remember the evil so that when you announce you're going to remove the evil no-one objects.

Is it only a coincidence that there have been numerous TV, radio and newspaper articles questioning the need for an Air Force in the past month?

If those who make the decisions think they can save money by absorbing the RAF into the other services, and if they've already sold the idea to the uninformed public, it will happen.

Past history counts for nothing and we all know that there won't be any fighting like GW1 and GW2 ever again will there? We all know that all future conflict will be carried out by infantry on the ground with close air support provided by ac from the AAC or the FAA.

Call me a pessimist but I've seen it all before. If there's a saving to be made and it doesn't affect the voters' day-to-day routine it's a no-brainer for the govt. The only thing that could be in our favour is our working relationship with the U.S. - they wouldn't appreciate a capability gap at the moment whilst skills are transferred. Maybe in a couple of years when things quieten down... 2018 perhaps? Who mentioned a 100 year experiment?

Funny old thing, that's the year being bandied about for the longevity of Tornado.

 

[joncollier]

The other 2 services envy Royal Air Force for taking the Right of the Line during WW11, night after night taking war to Germany. In 1960's they thought missle would replace the manned aircraft wrong then & going wrong again.
Whats the point of giving helicopters to Army, Top Brass are confused if it dont eat hay & you have to pick sh!t up after it.
How much do it cost to keep a fleet of horses stabled fed & watered, just what is their role in a modern combined fighting force.
If anything needs to go in cut backs lets start with chocolate box brigade.

 

[joncollier]

Didn't he forget to do something mission critical, like flick a swith or something?
I have all the respect in the world for his pilot, but ****** just strikes me as a mouthy "see you next tuesday". I wish he would just slink off into obscurity.

Biggest mistake was to attempt to make a second pass over a hostile target, should have billed the pair for loss there aircraft. Still saved a failed Nav from a career at Burger King.

 

[Realist78]

Off TopicBut that nav apparently had his number plate POW 1 after that feck up. T0sser!

 

[chiprafp]

Polite reminder to all, when posting about a named person please post facts and not hearsay/rumour as that can be considered libel/Slander and drop people in hot water. Obviously if you dont use the persons name.......sorted

 

[Ex-Bay]

Biggest mistake was to attempt to make a second pass over a hostile target, should have billed the pair for loss there aircraft. Still saved a failed Nav from a career at Burger King.

Wasn't the pilot called Peters ?
Did he stay in (despite being thoroughly worked over) ?

 

[MAINJAFAD]

Biggest mistake was to attempt to make a second pass over a hostile target, should have billed the pair for loss there aircraft. Still saved a failed Nav from a career at Burger King.

Don't think they even got that far, Nav made a mistake in not punching the right buttons, Pilot didn't have the steering marks on the HUD he expected while doing a loft attack in daylight. (admited by the pair on the TV program about their shootdown), Tornado not climbing at right angle or speed, 8X1000lbs bombs fail to come off when they should, speed drops off, some Iraqi AAA/SAM operator gets lucky. Should have really punched the weapon plyons off, half rolled, done a positive G push over towards the deck and rolled out / levelled out / ergressed at low level. In fact only one Tonka was lost at Low Level, the rest were doing loft attacks, plus one a meduim level.

As regards the Navy controlling air assests, read Jerry Pook and David Morgan's books about how air operations were run on Hermes in the Falklands war by the Naval Flag staff. Morgan is dipolmatic, but says things that show that the navy didn't really have a clue, Jerry Pook on the other dosen't pull any punches, in the fact that they were useless.

 

[True Blue Jack]

As regards the Navy controlling air assests, read Jerry Pook and David Morgan's books about how air operations were run on Hermes in the Falklands war by the Naval Flag staff. Morgan is dipolmatic, but says things that show that the navy didn't really have a clue, Jerry Pook on the other dosen't pull any punches, in the fact that they were useless.

I believe Sharkey Ward had an altogether different opinion about who was useless!

 

[Dave-exfairy]

Don't think they even got that far, Nav made a mistake in not punching the right buttons, Pilot didn't have the steering marks on the HUD he expected while doing a loft attack in daylight. (admited by the pair on the TV program about their shootdown), Tornado not climbing at right angle or speed, 8X1000lbs bombs fail to come off when they should, speed drops off, some Iraqi AAA/SAM operator gets lucky. Should have really punched the weapon plyons off, half rolled, done a positive G push over towards the deck and rolled out / levelled out / ergressed at low level. In fact only one Tonka was lost at Low Level, the rest were doing loft attacks, plus one a meduim level.

As regards the Navy controlling air assests, read Jerry Pook and David Morgan's books about how air operations were run on Hermes in the Falklands war by the Naval Flag staff. Morgan is dipolmatic, but says things that show that the navy didn't really have a clue, Jerry Pook on the other dosen't pull any punches, in the fact that they were useless.

Bloody hell fellah, you should be teaching tactics at Valley or Top Gun! And what would Morgan know? Didn't he transfer to the RN after?

I believe Sharkey Ward had an altogether different opinion about who was useless!

Well he would, he's a fishead!

 

[John Lloyd]

As a report on Newsnight last night the RAF got slaughtered as being pointless as a fighting arm, I think it was mentioned 3 times that since Korea, the only aircraft shot down in conflict have been shot down by the NAVY.

Ex Pongos view was, split it and share it out, Bombs support the Army so let the Army control the bombs, give the maritime air support to the Navy as they rule the waves.

The retired Air Officers defence was 'We are that good, and they are that frightened of us, we haven't had the opportunity to shoot any down'

With that being the height of the debating skills at the top of the tree, it was a mugging.

 

[Realist78]

It is no coincidence that Armed Forces around the world have a separate Air Force. Air Power and all its nuances requires specialist knowledge and skills that you simply wouldn't have IMO with the Army or RN. All this inter service squabbling is pathetic but must be music to the bean counters.