Just heard that FSW is going to be renamed to, drum roll...Engineering & Logistics Wing. How many times must we go through this? It's probably on a whim or a one-liner without a thought for how much work it entails. If only all those years ago we could have simply replaced Supply with Logistics. Apparently, it's because nobody really understood what FSW was. The clue is in the Fecking name, Forward Support Wing, eejits! On a positive note, PVRing and setting up a sign writers business sounds profitable.
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Wheel reinvention...again!
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At least someone will get their OBE out of it..........:raf:
Aye, Other B******* Efforts!
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Does that mean OC Eng & Supply gets his post back? Does that mean they're going to can OC Forward and OC Depth and OC Supply and roll it into one job like it used to be before they had to find jobs for extra Wing Commanders for the sheer hell of it...
Don't be ridiculous..........There'll be an OC ESW and then........hang on, I'll think of a new post for the other Wingco in a mo, we couldn't POSSIBLY get rid.
DT_Xtremez_32:Heard about this yesterday from one who was at that monumentous decision making meeting. Apparently it was going to be re-named Eng & Supply til the XX remembered Cheffers were now part of Logs. What next, some bright spark proposes we adopt something called the BINBROOK MODEL? I love it here.
Tell him to stop! Snap! another rib, Ping! there goes another!
DT_Xtremez_30:Of course they won't roll them up into one job, OC FSW will simply change to OC ELW.
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Watch this space - give it another year and someone will decide that OC Eng & Logs is too busy and catering is more 'base support' than 'logistics' anyway...
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I've been navigating around the camp on the basis of 'its that room where the big blond bird works...you know...the one who you don't share your apple with' for years now as I've not had a clue who was in FSW/BSW etc etc...the transformation from calling something by what it did such as 'supply' or 'admin' to these new terms happened when I wasn't in mainstream airforce so when I came back into it imagine my surprise....
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Just heard that FSW is going to be renamed to, drum roll...Engineering & Logistics Wing. How many times must we go through this? It's probably on a whim or a one-liner without a thought for how much work it entails. If only all those years ago we could have simply replaced Supply with Logistics.
It used to be joke in my time that when the Spam storemen became Suppliers our stackers successfully pettioned to be called the same.
Then when the spams became Logistic Technicians our stackers again looked up hopefully but were told to f*** off.
Not laughing anymore just gobsmacked.
P.S. how many Wingcos are thier on a station now?
Also the even higher ups that sit on these STACKER/WHEEL REINVENTION COMMITTES,with their so crucial fact finding trips to the States and the like and their expensive power lunches not to mention thier wages,do they get "Tech charged"when it turns out that their previous findings have to be essentially reversed?
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Ignoring the Flying Sqn bosses, a Main Operating Base still has 3 wg cdrs.
It used to be Ops, Eng & Supply and Admin and everyone knew where they stood. Then Eng was divided into forward and depth, so for a while places like Coningsby increased to 4 wg cdrs. According to the original concept of the Trenchard Model, Admin Wg (now Base Support Wg) would be downgraded to a Sqn so a MOB would be left with just OC Ops (now called Chief of Staff at some units), OC Forward and maybe OC Depth.
A few problems arose with that, including a number of Stn Cdrs arguing that they needed an OC BSW because they understood Ops and Flying, knew as much as they had to about Engineering but didn't have a scooby about all the other organisational and administrative stuff that goes on to keep a station running.
So what we're seeing now is OC Ops/COS, OC Eng & Logs and OC BSW. The only real difference from a few years ago is that the caterers come under logs. However, I don't think this particular wheel has stopped turning yet.
It used to be Ops, Eng & Supply and Admin and everyone knew where they stood. Then Eng was divided into forward and depth, so for a while places like Coningsby increased to 4 wg cdrs. According to the original concept of the Trenchard Model, Admin Wg (now Base Support Wg) would be downgraded to a Sqn so a MOB would be left with just OC Ops (now called Chief of Staff at some units), OC Forward and maybe OC Depth.
A few problems arose with that, including a number of Stn Cdrs arguing that they needed an OC BSW because they understood Ops and Flying, knew as much as they had to about Engineering but didn't have a scooby about all the other organisational and administrative stuff that goes on to keep a station running.
So what we're seeing now is OC Ops/COS, OC Eng & Logs and OC BSW. The only real difference from a few years ago is that the caterers come under logs. However, I don't think this particular wheel has stopped turning yet.
Amusingly at our very secret soon to have new shiny aeroplanes Northern base our Cheffers remain under the Command and Control of BSW. In my time here they have passed from SSS to PMS and are now to return to SSS. Bless, a ginger step-child would attract better treatment.
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I can see there being quite a few name changes in preparation of the Defence Reform Review next year.
3 becoming 2 is an option for serious consideration.
Engineering and Logistics Wing could easily become Engineering and Logistics Core.
Who knows - TG1 could be renamed as RAF Electrical and Mechanical Engineers to align ourself with Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers.
3 becoming 2 is an option for serious consideration.
Engineering and Logistics Wing could easily become Engineering and Logistics Core.
Who knows - TG1 could be renamed as RAF Electrical and Mechanical Engineers to align ourself with Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers.
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Wash your mouth out, Its bad enough I have to be a rigger now and that the cream of the aircraft trades, the glorious sooties, have had their awesomeness diluted with the retardedness of riggers then you go and tie me in with the gay trades. And then you want to algin the finest aircraft techs (gaytrades included) in the world with a bunch of mongs. Some people, ARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!
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Agreed, the dirty rig pigs have even invaded the last bastion of sooty supremacy - the engine bay.
DT_Xtremez_09:Cake or Death
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Agreed, the dirty rig pigs have even invaded the last bastion of sooty supremacy - the engine bay.
One of the reasons for **** engines being produced. You cant build engines with just a hammer! You know when a rigger is boroscoping an engine as you hear the words 'yeah dunno what im looking at'!
Athough having worked in TPF the riggers can have it!
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I would not be at all surprised if we are going to see an upsurge in the continuation of the re-invention of the wheel. With SDR on the horizon (and let's be honest, the majority of us including me are at the worst scared as to the possible changes) I believe the Officer Cadre will make a major attempt to justify most of their (pointless) existences. The result being a whole lot of name changes, masses of paperwork requiring update for QA purposes etc....and the same if not more work being done by the Non-Commissioned and Juniors ranks to keep everything ticking over and the rest.
And then there will no doubt be the shuffling of Budgets. "I've made £x savings" when in fact they have moved the financial burden onto somebody elses budget saving the MOD the square root of F ALL.
Everything worked well before as we know with the old Eng and Supply Wing. Like everything else, if he had good Sqn Ldrs and good Ft Lts below them he would not have a problem. When the Non-Comms and Juniors have work/manning problems we do tend to step-up as an organisation and strive to work harder and more efficiently. The Upper echelons known as the Officer Cadre appear to nowadays bring someone in to help lighten their load, reducing their own admin burden which does not figure especially when it is the number of Juniors that should be increased.
The ethos of Career first, RAF second will now start to bite even deeper into our RAF hearts. If most of the Officer Cadre (not all) were guaranteed a promotion in a new self styled Defence Force I guarantee the majority would take it in order to look after themselves.
And then there will no doubt be the shuffling of Budgets. "I've made £x savings" when in fact they have moved the financial burden onto somebody elses budget saving the MOD the square root of F ALL.
Everything worked well before as we know with the old Eng and Supply Wing. Like everything else, if he had good Sqn Ldrs and good Ft Lts below them he would not have a problem. When the Non-Comms and Juniors have work/manning problems we do tend to step-up as an organisation and strive to work harder and more efficiently. The Upper echelons known as the Officer Cadre appear to nowadays bring someone in to help lighten their load, reducing their own admin burden which does not figure especially when it is the number of Juniors that should be increased.
The ethos of Career first, RAF second will now start to bite even deeper into our RAF hearts. If most of the Officer Cadre (not all) were guaranteed a promotion in a new self styled Defence Force I guarantee the majority would take it in order to look after themselves.
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"We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning
to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later
in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing;
and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress
while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization."
Gauis Petronios 210 BC
Nothing new under the sun fellow goatersDT_Xtremez_34:
to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later
in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing;
and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress
while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization."
Gauis Petronios 210 BC
Nothing new under the sun fellow goaters
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Fek off there's already electrical and mechanical engineers in the RAF they are in TG5 and as the mech side is now vehicle mech too we'd be REME long before you aircraft boys
DT_Xtremez_42:I've been here at home of the Phoon only 3 1/2 years and I've seen Eng & Supply change names 3 times now.
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"SUpport, Re-supply, Recovery, Engineering, Aviation and Logistics" Wing?