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Fitness test again

feckinG RANT

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Why not do it alphabetically and make it RAF wide so no matter where posted you will always know when you're due.

For example, 26 letters of the alphabet divided by 12 months of the year, so A to B in Jan, C to D in Feb, etc, etc, and as there's not many Q's, X's or Z's add the Q's to the letter next to it, and the same for X and Z.

How easy would that be to sort out? No more confusion, when you join up AC Smith, you will be tested in the months of....
 
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Sospan

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Batch testing on my Sqn works really well. Everybody has the same time line and it seems to pull some people through that might not quite make should there not be another 15 of their peers there.
 

8:15fromOdium

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Can you see the PEd Flt buying into that one?
On a wider point - why has PEd Flt got to administer the fitness test? This is one of the main sticking points on most camps. Surely most sections have got a CD player and can identify 2 lines which people have to run between. Do it on mass a couple of times a year at a time the section heads deem convenient for the section and its personnel. As you rightly say Sospan the peer pressure should have a beneficial effect.
 
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Spearmint

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Why not do it alphabetically and make it RAF wide so no matter where posted you will always know when you're due.

For example, 26 letters of the alphabet divided by 12 months of the year, so A to B in Jan, C to D in Feb, etc, etc, and as there's not many Q's, X's or Z's add the Q's to the letter next to it, and the same for X and Z.

How easy would that be to sort out? No more confusion, when you join up AC Smith, you will be tested in the months of....

Fine if it was a sure bet that everyone would get a light blue pass but what about those who do it every 6 months? That'll throw a spanner in the works with the above system laid out.
 

Mug?

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Brilliant Idea!

Brilliant Idea!

I know why not go on date of birth? Go do your test in that month then go to the pub. (deja Vu I know)

Not everyone will be due at the same time, sections do not need to close down.
Okay so getting the section stats will be a pain for the adminer, but they are 1 person per section and better to annoy them than mess everyone around.
 
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Little Tronk

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I know why not go on date of birth? Go do your test in that month then go to the pub. (deja Vu I know)

Not everyone will be due at the same time, sections do not need to close down.
Okay so getting the section stats will be a pain for the adminer, but they are 1 person per section and better to annoy them than mess everyone around.

Wait for it.........................................................
 

Drill Bit

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I know why not go on date of birth? Go do your test in that month then go to the pub. (deja Vu I know)

Not everyone will be due at the same time, sections do not need to close down.
Okay so getting the section stats will be a pain for the adminer, but they are 1 person per section and better to annoy them than mess everyone around.

It'll never catch on; how's it going to assist those with variable birthdays? There are some you know.
 

muttywhitedog

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Okay so getting the section stats will be a pain for the adminer, but they are 1 person per section and better to annoy them than mess everyone around.

It will be no pain for the adminer as they have as much input in the RAFFT as the rocks, firemen, drivers, chefs etc. The only person who would get involved is P1 for MAA, and they'd get involved whichever method of testing was used.
 
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Why not do it alphabetically and make it RAF wide so no matter where posted you will always know when you're due.

For example, 26 letters of the alphabet divided by 12 months of the year, so A to B in Jan, C to D in Feb, etc, etc, and as there's not many Q's, X's or Z's add the Q's to the letter next to it, and the same for X and Z.

How easy would that be to sort out? No more confusion, when you join up AC Smith, you will be tested in the months of....


What happens to those that get married - do they keep the same month or change? what if that change meant they had missed their new month?
 

TrickyTree

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...You should be able to pass the fitness test at any time, if requested and not just on 2 days per year.
You may or may not have a valid point there, and I may or may not agree with you - but isn't that statement just opinion and not policy?
 

Black Cat

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Here at a secret base in Lincolnshire we have just had our first fitness discharge. From 3rd failure to discharge 48hrs, so there will queues to get to see Doc's in the Med center for some chits no dough:pDT_Xtremez_34: !
 

Mightierthan

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Birthdays never change. Why not everyone takes the test either the month before or the month after their birthday? The month of a birthday would be too difficult as everyone would try and wait until after their birthday so the test would be easier!

With a little common sense and GST/MLC problem solving skills applied I'm sure it would be very easy to install an RAF-wide workable solution.
 

feckinG RANT

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What happens to those that get married - do they keep the same month or change? what if that change meant they had missed their new month?

Er... They move to the new month and do it so as not to miss it? Is it excessive for the minority (12.3% in 2006) this effects to do a test early if an individual chooses to get married and change their name? Hopefully, assuming the marriage holds out, it will be just once...

Not difficult to come to a solution really, took me all of about 30 secs.
 

Joe_90

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Lets be honest, doing it the month after your birthday worked well for years, on the 1st of the month you knew you were out of date and you went and did it. Simple system to manage and if you want to have people do it every 6 months then you can.
 

Twiggles

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The main question that hasn't really been answered though is what happens if you fail when in date??????

If has been suggested that you're MAA'd for your attitude to fitness (this is actually what it says on MAA paperwork) and not the actual fail then even if you're in date they could MAA you.
This to me would be grossly unfair and could open up a big can of worms if challenged after all as previously posted what's the point in having a pass for 6/12/18 months if it means nothing.

Simples you get MAA'd like I did. Passed fitness test last August, then got told had to do it again in September as the station introduced batch testing. I spoke to the PTI and they refused to see any reason, I had to do the test again or be MAA'd. So I failed it. MAA came through yet oddly enough JPA still showed me as in date for fitness test with a pass. Presented that to the WO when he read the MAA yet it was still pushed through.

3 months later (after not going to any remedial cause it's donkey poo, prefer to stick to my own gym regime ta) I was told I had to do the test due to failing previously. Went down and passed it. Three months later went down and did it again to fall back in line again with the rest of the squadron.

At no time between failing and then passing three months later was I shown as failed fitness test on JPA, the initial August pass remained valid.
 
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Hammer

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Simples you get MAA'd like I did. Passed fitness test last August, then got told had to do it again in September as the station introduced batch testing. I spoke to the PTI and they refused to see any reason, I had to do the test again or be MAA'd. So I failed it. MAA came through yet oddly enough JPA still showed me as in date for fitness test with a pass. Presented that to the WO when he read the MAA yet it was still pushed through.

3 months later (after not going to any remedial cause it's donkey poo, prefer to stick to my own gym regime ta) I was told I had to do the test due to failing previously. Went down and passed it. Three months later went down and did it again to fall back in line again with the rest of the squadron.

At no time between failing and then passing three months later was I shown as failed fitness test on JPA, the initial August pass remained valid.


Had you failed again you would have been subject to a formal warning.
 

Mug?

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confused

confused

So if you fail and DID do all the remedial stuff, added a few extra circuits yourself. Trained for a marathan and completed it in a good time. Had your own website promoting fitness, ran a sports club for kids. Got your AT/PTI qualification took a few of the section on a few AT/ training sessions and then tried your fitness test and failed....you would be MAA'd for a bad attitude to fitness????


How can they support that action from a service complaint?

The whole policy is so full of holes.

If you are told to do the test and you don't take it I can see the MAA working.

If you are given time off to go to the gym and you didn't go I can see the MAA working.

If you take the test but can't pass it I can see the Med'd out option.

If your section want you to take the test then you have the option of ticking the box if you feel the need to speak to the doc about it, whether you have a twisted sock, or a broken leg.
 

muttywhitedog

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I know someone who was MAA'd for failing his fitness test. He failed it a week after finishing the New York marathon.
 

TrickyTree

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I know someone who was MAA'd for failing his fitness test. He failed it a week after finishing the New York marathon.
The thing is, as I see it, we're all assuming here that the Service is wanting us to be a fit workforce and to demonstrate a good level of fitness via the fitness test.

The truth though is very very far from that.

Station execs and above, through Group and up to Command are not in the slightest bit impressed that SAC X has achieved a dark blue standard, nor yet concerned that Jnr Tech Y has failed the test and perhaps needs help and encouragement. What they are concerned with is statistics - what impresses them is that 99.5% of RAF XYZ are current and (in their eyes) fit.

Why else would situation such as that quoted occur without anybody being able to apply even the tiniest bit of common sense to the situation? Incidentally, it's certainly not the first such example I've heard of.

The fitness test should be abolished. There is no need for it, it serves (despite the propaganda which judging by numerous posts on this site many of us have swallowed) no useful purpose, it is discriminatory, it is rigidly enforced in black and white (one size does notfit all) on some Units and completely arbitrarily on others, despite so-called policy; it is hated by physiotherapists across the Service and even by the more enlightened PTI's (yes there are some - those that bother to engage in CPD and gain civilian qualifications). We didn't need such thing when we were seeing off the Kaiser, we saw off the Luftwaffe and coped perfectly well in the Western Desert without one, and managed to provide effective air power projection in Malaya, Borneo and the South Atlantic all without a fitness test.

The Royal Air Force has not needed, does not need and probably won't ever need a fitness test.

This is not the same, though, as saying that fitness and healthy living should not be encouraged amongst our personnel. Of course it should - this should be a self-evident truth. What I believe should replace it is compulsory sport, which does not necessarily mean compulsory PT, which is interpreted certainly where I work as nothing more than a once a fortnight gym beasting. Wednesday afternoons should be returned to us for such organised sport and games - footy, rugger, cricket, volleyball - it doesn't matter what it is we should all be compelled to do something. Lack of sporting prowess should not be accepted as an excuse - there is nobody in NATO more uncoordinated than me yet I don't mind being forced to play 5-a-side or whatever every week. It's not about, or it certainly shouldn't be about being any good, it's about getting out, getting some air in your lungs, and stetching the old legs a bit.

Of course to implement this would take leadership and in the current financial and therefore political climate, with all the internecine squabbling amongst the Services which will come in the next 18 months (SDSR, as if you needed telling), there will be no appetite for a more enlightened approach which will have to be managed, funded and led - at all levels, from Cpl to Air Chf Mshl. They'll just stick with the current situation with all it's unfairness, anomalies and unpopularity purely because it is the easy option.

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.
 
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