Harmony Rules

[MontyPlumbs]

Not quite true....qualified sooties (ahem......ATM's) can carry out single engine ground runs on a Chinook, with rotor brake applied.

Sorry for going off-topic, the point is that there is normally a duty crew available (even in theatre) for flight tests, HTGR's etc.

As for the comment that Hercs do long trips and Chinny crews do short hops.....ball-aches.......the average 'sortie' for a Chinook Crew is 8 hours, as they fly from place to place all day long. The guys/girls are completely knackered when they get back but are still willing to hang about after a sortie to c/out a G/run if we need them to.

I think the EngO just needs to have a word with the crews and explain that if they don't help out, they don't get a serviceable cab/jet.....(WTF do you call a Herc???).

There is also the underlying issue with the lack of trained guys/courses....surely someone at Lyneham must be getting on someone's case about that?

There's no way that you guys should be doing so much time out there......not fair on you or your families. End of.

Rant over.DT_Xtremez_30:

Sorry mate, don't know if it was a local thing when I was on 1310 last year, but our Sooties had to get a crew out everytime they needed an EGR. I don't understand how you can do an engine run with the rotor brake applied - or am I just being thick? Is it possible to run the engine up without the rotorhead turning? (I never saw it) Obviously we had the pu running all the time though! DT_Xtremez_14:

 

[duffman]

Yes you can on tonkas, usually the a snec or the TM (they have to have a q to ok people as well) give you the ok after a bit OJT. Although there are 2 auths dry and reheat it's not really a big thing.

 

[MontyPlumbs]

SACs and JTs could ground run on leaping heaps, with a suitably qualified NCO supervising.

In fact, all we had at one point was SAC(T) and JT trained up on the HOCU because most of the mechanical NCOs were unqualified RN Leading Hands!! DT_Xtremez_14:

 

[MrMasher]

Wobbly, can you get any help from any instructor aircrew types?

Half of my groundrun training on another ac type was done with OCU pilots on the ac as the Sim was always busy.

Perhaps it's an option?

 

[Max Reheat]

We also used to carry out pre employment training on the Sqns for people deployed to the Falklands. They would be sent to us for 2 or 3 weeks for ground run & towing training and a basic insight into F3s. Some of these guys came from Harriers, GR's or bays and they were trained for the post they were filling unlike Hercs who send only people who are already authed

 

[Oberon305]

Sorry mate, don't know if it was a local thing when I was on 1310 last year, but our Sooties had to get a crew out everytime they needed an EGR. I don't understand how you can do an engine run with the rotor brake applied - or am I just being thick? Is it possible to run the engine up without the rotorhead turning? (I never saw it) Obviously we had the pu running all the time though! DT_Xtremez_14:

Yes MP, you can run a single engine low power run on Wokkas with the rotorbrake applied. The groundcrew auth'd to do it have to practice in the sim in case the brake fails and the heads start turning - ie start flying!

I am a fairy, so please bear with my basic terms (and feel free to correct me if i'm wrong!) - The thrust from the engine turbines turn a free turbine which connects to the shaft/heads. Therefore if the rotorbrake is applied, the free turbine won't move.

So, if the sooties (ATM's!) need to test the ECUs at high power, the aircrew need to come do a HTGR.

So, the point is, it's totally normal for aircrew to do Chinook (and I guess all rotary) ground runs. And it appears that Tonkas and other jets do theirs.

So.....maybe the prima-donna Herky Bird grobags need to get off their high-horses and just do the EGR's for you, which would bin the need for S2 anf Wobbly to spend half of their life in the desert!

 

[MontyPlumbs]

Yes MP, you can run a single engine low power run on Wokkas with the rotorbrake applied. The groundcrew auth'd to do it have to practice in the sim in case the brake fails and the heads start turning - ie start flying!

I am a fairy, so please bear with my basic terms (and feel free to correct me if i'm wrong!) - The thrust from the engine turbines turn a free turbine which connects to the shaft/heads. Therefore if the rotorbrake is applied, the free turbine won't move.

So, if the sooties (ATM's!) need to test the ECUs at high power, the aircrew need to come do a HTGR.

So, the point is, it's totally normal for aircrew to do Chinook (and I guess all rotary) ground runs. And it appears that Tonkas and other jets do theirs.

So.....maybe the prima-donna Herky Bird grobags need to get off their high-horses and just do the EGR's for you, which would bin the need for S2 anf Wobbly to spend half of their life in the desert!

I never once saw a leaping heap jockey do an EGR mate!!!

 

[wgaf]

Yes MP, you can run a single engine low power run on Wokkas with the rotorbrake applied. The groundcrew auth'd to do it have to practice in the sim in case the brake fails and the heads start turning - ie start flying!

I am a fairy, so please bear with my basic terms (and feel free to correct me if i'm wrong!) - The thrust from the engine turbines turn a free turbine which connects to the shaft/heads. Therefore if the rotorbrake is applied, the free turbine won't move.

So, if the sooties (ATM's!) need to test the ECUs at high power, the aircrew need to come do a HTGR.

So, the point is, it's totally normal for aircrew to do Chinook (and I guess all rotary) ground runs. And it appears that Tonkas and other jets do theirs.

So.....maybe the prima-donna Herky Bird grobags need to get off their high-horses and just do the EGR's for you, which would bin the need for S2 anf Wobbly to spend half of their life in the desert!

Pumas are Aircrew ground runs only.

I never once saw a leaping heap jockey do an EGR mate!!!

Seen it done and been safety man during aircrew ground runs several times.

 

[MontyPlumbs]

Pumas are Aircrew ground runs only.


Seen it done and been safety man during aircrew ground runs several times.

Must have been the that the aircrew on the HOCU were too important for such low tasks then!!

 

[beer]

Did a tour on 1312 at Stanley in 1985. Went from PRF (Engine Bay) with no line course but did do the Prop Q course when I arrived at Lyneham in 83. Did a very quick liney conversion course when I got to Stanley but had been a 'liney' on a couple of Buccaneer Sqn's before Herk's and as a Cpl had done lots of ground running on them. During my first week I was shown how to ground run by our GE shift boss. From then after getting signed off I carried out loads of runs from single engine to all four turning.
It certainly appears that the management are still a bunch of self centred arse licks that they always were even in my time! DT_Xtremez_32:

 

[sausage2]

AGGGGGGGGGG. Fcuk it thats it, I'm getting downgraded. Nice 2 months holiday in the falklands on the cards. Leaving in 3 weeks.

 

[Max Reheat]

AGGGGGGGGGG. Fcuk it thats it, I'm getting downgraded. Nice 2 months holiday in the falklands on the cards. Leaving in 3 weeks.

What!!! Thought you were safe

 

[sausage2]

So did I turns out I'm not. Fuming. I've been taking it out on inanimate objects and just trashed my desk. 27 fcuking chiefs on the sqn, and I get 3 months between dets. Result.

 

[Downsizer]

AGGGGGGGGGG. Fcuk it thats it, I'm getting downgraded. Nice 2 months holiday in the falklands on the cards. Leaving in 3 weeks.

So did I turns out I'm not. Fuming. I've been taking it out on inanimate objects and just trashed my desk. 27 fcuking chiefs on the sqn, and I get 3 months between dets. Result.

You should've thought of that.

 

[Realist78]

So did I turns out I'm not. Fuming. I've been taking it out on inanimate objects and just trashed my desk. 27 fcuking chiefs on the sqn, and I get 3 months between dets. Result.

What's the uber management's take on it?

 

[Max Reheat]

So did I turns out I'm not. Fuming. I've been taking it out on inanimate objects and just trashed my desk. 27 fcuking chiefs on the sqn, and I get 3 months between dets. Result.

That sucks big time, what post are you going down in?

 

[sausage2]

Chief ATM slot, thats just been created. I am working on getting out of it

 

[SirSaltyHelmet]

Thought you liked ATM!

 

[Realist78]

Thought you liked ATM!

DT_Xtremez_30:DT_Xtremez_30:DT_Xtremez_30:DT_Xtremez_30:

Step into that open wound!

On a more serious note, this is so bang out of order, the other CTs need fecking sorting.

 

[Oberon305]

AGGGGGGGGGG. Fcuk it thats it, I'm getting downgraded. Nice 2 months holiday in the falklands on the cards. Leaving in 3 weeks.

**** News Buddy....but at least you'll be down there for the summer!

Oh, it'll be winter down there won't it?!?!? DT_Xtremez_14:


Seriously mate, time you got a posting/downgrade me thinks.