Thompson and Venables - Bulger killers

[Sniffer]

Im really torn on this matter. Whilst I understand the need for revenge and although I'm not a parent I can fully understand any parent "doing time" for these two.

I have however, been mulling over the phrase "evil" which has been frequently used to describe both Venables and Thompson. Also the comments about knowing right from wrong.

How do we learn what is right from wrong? We are hopefully taught by our parents.

If, as a toddler, we vent our anger by smacking another child (and most kids go through this stage), we are told it is naughty and chastised.

If we bite, we are chastised etc etc.

We are taught that it is wrong to hurt someones feeling and so on.

We learn what is right or wrong as a child usually by fear of punishment, whether that be a smack, a telling off or restriction of priveledges and research has shown this begins to set in and is understood by around the age of 7 or 8. So I have to ask if these boys were allowed to "run riot" with no fear of punishment and no guidance then how would they know that they are doing wrong if their moral compass had never been set.

It would be correct to say that an average 9 or 10 year old would know what is right or wrong due to their upbringing and education but these two are far from average. There seemed to be very little parental guidance (particularly for Thompson) and the boys regularly played truant so the education system did not really have much of a chance to help correct the failings at home.

I don't want to come across as pink and fluffy and in favour of rehabilitation, as it clearly does not work in all cases. I just wanted to look at it from a different angle.

How many times have people posted links to newspaper articles about waste of skin chav families and asked the question "what chance have their kids got?"

Well they potentially have the chance of committing a horrific crime because they have never been taught where the line lies.

Just my very long winded two pence worth.....

 

[Oberon305]

Not at all Sniffer. In fact you've hit the nail on the head and this is why I raised the poll in the first place.

Yes they did it, but their parents and to an extent 'the system' let them down.

 

[Kryten]

They were discussing on the Beeb this morning - what do you do if someone is beyond redemption, and commits additional crime once released back into society because thats all they know.....how does society respond?

 

[Oberon305]

They were discussing on the Beeb this morning - what do you do if someone is beyond redemption, and commits additional crime once released back into society because thats all they know.....how does society respond?

Well for starters....if kids commit a despicable crime like this one, they are doing it because of a failing by their parents/guardians.....so fkin lock them up too. Maybe that would start to make parents think a bit harder about how they bring them up.

 

[Kryten]

Well for starters....if kids commit a despicable crime like this one, they are doing it because of a failing by their parents/guardians.....so fkin lock them up too. Maybe that would start to make parents think a bit harder about how they bring them up.

Quite agree - it really grips my klagnuts when you hear the parents of criminal kids saying "they're good at heart" and " I never know where they are"....

 

[Scaley brat]

They were discussing on the Beeb this morning - what do you do if someone is beyond redemption, and commits additional crime once released back into society.....how does society respond?

You put them in a deep dark hole away from daylight with no comforts other than a bed, a toilet bowl and a sink. Then you leave them to rot !


Cruel and unusual punishment works.

 

[grumpyoldb]

You put them in a deep dark hole away from daylight with no comforts other than a bed, a toilet bowl and a sink. Then you leave them to rot !


Cruel and unusual punishment works.

You can't do that mate. It's cruel and inhumane. Send them on a safari holiday, It'll work wonders for them. DT_Xtremez_14:

 

[Realist78]

You can't do that mate. It's cruel and inhumane. Send them on a safari holiday, It'll work wonders for them. DT_Xtremez_14:

With no protection from inside a landrover etc!

 

[grumpyoldb]

With no protection from inside a landrover etc!

Accidents do happen............! DT_Xtremez_42:

 

[ebz7350]

You started on the gin early old fella ? DT_Xtremez_31:

Personally I believe all kids are individuals. Some are hard working while others are wasters and some are Angels while others are demons. Thompson and Venables did what they did because they could. They didn't for one second think about the consequences of their actions. I believe at the time they reported that both barstuds only started to cry when they realised THEY would get into trouble. The world and his dog portrayed these two little cnuts as victims, but the only real victim was little Jamie.
I would happily see them clapped in irons for the rest of their days, fed nothing but bread and water then dragged around schools to show kids that no matter how you're brought up, you and ONLY you are responsible for your own actions.

Unfortunately in this shabby little nation of ours, people like shabby chakrabatty are only to quick to jump to the defence of cnuts like these. DT_Xtremez_06:

hello,
I posted a similar details online regarding Venables,
how much these day in prison currency does it cost
to 'tan his jaw' ie. Cigarettes..Phone Card?
Anyone wanna start a whip round & post the
ciggies & phone cards c/o HM Prison?
I'm sure someone will do him for nothing.
Regards
David

 

[ebz7350]

What about the parents who allegedly raised them? Should they not bear some responsibilty for the actions of their offspring?

hello,
They're probably in hiding, come to think of it
I haven't heard anything on the media where
they are or live etc..hmm?
Usually the angry mob have been round for a
visit.
Regards
David

 

[R_Squared]

..... then how would they know that they are doing wrong if their moral compass had never been set.....

.....Well they potentially have the chance of committing a horrific crime because they have never been taught where the line lies......

If their "Moral compass" said that it was ok to do what they did and they needed to be told that abducting and beating a toddler to death was "beyond the line", then they are not human beings, but animals.

The fact that their parents were sh1t, in no way excuses what they did, it may have been a contributing factor but a lot of people have sh1t parents and make it through their entire lives without harming a single person.

Unfortunately, your train of thought is highly prevalent throughout the social and justice sectors of society. It is enlightened, developed but ultimately a pile of old rubbish.

Some people are just irredeemably evil and cannot be "repaired" by society. It is something we should all learn to accept, and deal with as best we can.

In this particular case, we fcuked that up.

 

[Xiphos]

Genuinely interesting perspectives,all I'd add is that Rampton and Broadmoor as well as H.M.P.'s are crammed with people whose parents did all they could to bring them up with morales and self control.The problem is that our 'society' has a very confused understanding of what the parameters of acceptable behaviour are,and the 'rules' are different depending on your social status, access to different levels of advocacy,and ability to manipulate the system,etc.Also some people(in my experience a fairly small minority)are simply evil and seek out opportunities to hurt or destroy.

 

[MingMong]

I have just deleted a post speculating about what he has been taken into custody for.
Can you please refrain from speculating on these forums, the facts are bound to come out soon (maybe).

 

[Ex-Bay]

Given the headlines in today's ' Star', I wonder if it is possible to trace the source of the rumour about that unfortunate chap ?
And how much compensation he could claim ?