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Tories plan scholarships for children of fallen troops

FOMz

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Tories plan scholarships for children of fallen troops

Children of UK service personnel killed in action would be offered university scholarships under the Tories, shadow chancellor George Osborne has pledged.

The £8,210 grant would pay course fees and £5,000 a year towards living costs, he told the News of the World.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8450368.stm

A very good idea - but the cynic in me is questioning the timing of this 'announcement'. I don't like politicians and I think this cheapens somewhat the sacrifice the guys gave for this country. It sounds like yet another bandwagon the Tories are jumping on to me.

A General Election in the offing and a tasty morsel like this dangled in front of HMF - how to get people on side.....

If they do go a head with this, and I hope they do as it is a great idea. But again - I think once all the red tape has been battled through, very few will benefit....

I hope to be proven wrong.
 

Harry B'Stard

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Funding.

Funding.

Just had a look at the Higher Education Funding website.

The funding would come from their 'Widening Participation' scheme which is designed to fund those that are less likely to go to university, such as Mature students, ethnic minorities and those from 'different social groups'.

I personally think it's a good idea...

If you're going to send a man to his death, then the least you could do is support his family afterwards!

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Tashy_Man

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If you're going to send a man to his death, then the least you could do is support his family afterwards!

HTB

But shouldn't they be doing this anyways ? Looking after their "assets" !

I can just see the recruiting poster now......Come join up, live like a council chav until the day you die, THEN we will look after your family.

Crack on.................:pDT_Xtremez_09:
 

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I'm only playing playing devils advocate here, but if each child will be getting approx £14k, and each military family has say on average 2 children, that's £28k per household. If we look at how many servicemen and women have given their lives since the start of TELIC and HERRICK it's close to 450 ish. That's £6.3m the government will be spending. Plus they want to extend it to NI, Sierra Leone, Falklands. That is alot of money for the government to find in an already heavily overspent budget.
 
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I'm only playing playing devils advocate here, but if each child will be getting approx £14k, and each military family has say on average 2 children, that's £28k per household. If we look at how many servicemen and women have given their lives since the start of TELIC and HERRICK it's close to 450 ish. That's £6.3m the government will be spending. Plus they want to extend it to NI, Sierra Leone, Falklands. That is alot of money for the government to find in an already heavily overspent budget.

Except it wont be, how many dependant children are there from those who have fallen in recent conflicts, I doubt it will be a huge number (too many though), given that a many of those killed are young guys with no kids. Also given that any children of those killed in earlier conflicts may well have been through the school systyem by now and have already been to university if that was their intention.

Then consider that many armed forces personel, in particular the army, and this is not mean as an insult, are drawn from lower socio-economic backgrounds, where university or college attendance is less likely. If you also factor in the economic effects on a child of the loss of the wage earner in the family caused by the death of a father or mother in service, leading to the possibility of further deprevation and a further decrease in the likelyhood of university aspirations.

How about helping the families directly at a time when they need it most i.e. in the immediate aftermath of their loss and also through their time in school? Surely that would be a more sensible approach if the Tories are serious, but this stinks of being a grand gesture that is as empty as the government coffers.

However, it is would be good idea if it ever happened and I personally would welcome the security from knowing that if am unlucky to be killed in the service of my country, that my kids will not have to worry about funding their university studies.
 
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Gundulph

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Except it wont be, how many dependant children are there from those who have fallen in recent conflicts, I doubt it will be a huge number (too many though), given that a many of those killed are young guys with no kids. Also given that any children of those killed in earlier conflicts may well have been through the school systyem by now and have already been to university if that was their intention.

Then consider that many armed forces personel, in particular the army, and this is not mean as an insult, are drawn from lower socio-economic backgrounds, where university or college attendance is less likely. If you also factor in the economic effects on a child of the loss of the wage earner in the family caused by the death of a father or mother in service, leading to the possibility of further deprevation and a further decrease in the likelyhood of university aspirations.

How about helping the families directly at a time when they need it most i.e. in the immediate aftermath of their loss and also through their time in school? Surely that would be a more sensible approach if the Tories are serious, but this stinks of being a grand gesture that is as empty as the government coffers.

However, it is would be good idea if it ever happened and I personally would welcome the security from knowing that if am unlucky to be killed in the service of my country, that my kids will not have to worry about funding their university studies.

I agree with this, the Units concerned usually set up a Unit Fund to help the families of one of their fallen, they always manage to raise a decent amount but there should be something like this immediately available from the Government; yes it has come at a very 'convenient' time for the Tories but I very much doubt there is much need for them to target Forces Members, their Families and Friends as 99% are no doubt on the Tories side, or at the very least, against Liabour after all their failings, especially towards Defence.

Considering our Government gives ridiculous multi million pound donations to the likes of India for their 'Space Programme'! they can sure as hell give a few million for the families who have suffered the most from Politicians playing at War Games!

Whatever the reasons they are announcing it, who cares! if it helps the families of the fallen in any way then I'm fully onside.
 

MontyPlumbs

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Shameless attempt at vote winning, nothing more. British service personnel have been killed in action for decades, why now for this new legislation? Anything to do with the looming election?

Politicians...not fit to lick the sh1t from a hobos ringpiece.
 

8:15fromOdium

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The amount and a hell of a lot more besides could be found if a Conservative Government (any Government!) removed charitable status from public schools (~£100 million), and instead imposed VAT on fees.
 

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Shameless attempt at vote winning, nothing more. British service personnel have been killed in action for decades, why now for this new legislation? Anything to do with the looming election?

Politicians...not fit to lick the sh1t from a hobos ringpiece.
WHAT A DOWN THE PAN SHAMELESS WAY TO TRY AND GET VOTES .It does leave a lot to be desired whichever side of the fence you sit .IE does this mean that the children would get in even if they were not qualified enough at the s ke of others .this is what would happen
 

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I but I very much doubt there is much need for them to target Forces Members, their Families and Friends as 99% are no doubt on the Tories side, or at the very least, against Liabour after all their failings, especially towards Defence.

I think you're talking out of your crimper there mate, you are looking through tory tinted glasses and fail to remember what a ****e state they left things in last time.

Off Topic
 

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The amount and a hell of a lot more besides could be found if a Conservative Government (any Government!) removed charitable status from public schools (~£100 million), and instead imposed VAT on fees.
You'd be surprised to learn how many pupils at public schools are children of servicemen, with service allowances heavily subsidising their fees. I looked very, very seriously at sending my stepson to a public school and I can tell you now, a few things made me decide not to but finance was not one of them.

Your post is typical of the class-conscious Trotskyite drivel that has landed this country with nearly 13 years (please God no more!) of socialist mis-government and near state bankruptcy The Labour Party do this every time we vote them in - why do we never learn?
 

8:15fromOdium

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You'd be surprised to learn how many pupils at public schools are children of servicemen, with service allowances heavily subsidising their fees.
... err, no I wouldn't seing as I have many friends who do have kids at public schools, and would consider sending my own when they are old enough if it were right for them. However, I doubt I will get the choice after the next Defence review (aka Cuts, cuts and more cuts).
Your post is typical of the class-conscious Trotskyite drivel that has landed this country with nearly 13 years (please God no more!) of socialist mis-government
Where do I start ...
  1. This is not a socialist government (it's Tory lite).
  2. What is Trotskyite about not wanting to give tax breaks to rich people? Everyone should pay their way in our great nation (rich & poor). Please explain to me why these tax breaks are justified.
  3. Finally, sit down and read some of the stuff on politics written by the great man you have pictured in your posts (A clue - he wasn't a Tory).
BTW totally agree with FOMZ, re Gundulph's post.
 

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What is Trotskyite about not wanting to give tax breaks to rich people? Everyone should pay their way in our great nation (rich & poor). Please explain to me why these tax breaks are justified.

The thinking is that they are effectively paying twice for schooling, once in taxes and another is private school fees. Lots of people send their children aren't that well off, plenty are, but not all. Lots of people would love to be able to afford private school but can't afford it, if you removed charity status and put VAT on fees even fewer would; thus making it more of an elite school for the wealthy than it is now. They now have to give more free places to those that can't afford outside their catchment area and link up with crap state schools to help them raise standards. They have to do things like this to justify charity status.
 

Stevienics

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... What is Trotskyite about not wanting to give tax breaks to rich people? Everyone should pay their way in our great nation (rich & poor). Please explain to me why these tax breaks are justified. .

Rich People don't get tax breaks. Everyone gets tax breaks, but not everyone can afford to use them. But you are pandering to one of the basest human emotions - one of envy and the need to punish those with more material wealth than you - its a really nasty destructive group-think and it damn neared killed us off in the 70's .

Fiscal policies such as tax breaks are strategic, and they work.
 

TrickyTree

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... err, no I wouldn't seing as I have many friends who do have kids at public schools, and would consider sending my own when they are old enough if it were right for them. However, I doubt I will get the choice after the next Defence review (aka Cuts, cuts and more cuts).

Where do I start ...
  1. This is not a socialist government (it's Tory lite).
  2. What is Trotskyite about not wanting to give tax breaks to rich people? Everyone should pay their way in our great nation (rich & poor). Please explain to me why these tax breaks are justified.
  3. Finally, sit down and read some of the stuff on politics written by the great man you have pictured in your posts (A clue - he wasn't a Tory).
BTW totally agree with FOMZ, re Gundulph's post.

Off TopicThe posters above have been far more eloquent than I have the time or the inclination to be. As for Cloughie I would no more seek political guidance from him than I would discuss the merits of selected works of great Russian literature with a baboon.
 

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Off TopicThe posters above have been far more eloquent than I have the time or the inclination to be. As for Cloughie I would no more seek political guidance from him than I would discuss the merits of selected works of great Russian literature with a baboon.

So a discussion on Solzhenitzyn, with Cheetah the chimpanzee and myself, is out of the question at this juncture, then....?
 

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I think you're talking out of your crimper there mate, you are looking through tory tinted glasses and fail to remember what a ****e state they left things in last time.

Off Topic

So, remembering the a**e state team Major left us in, and after 13 years of Bleurgh/Brown b**locks, remind me why we should vote for any of them?

Is Screaming Lord Sutch still alive?
 

Harry B'Stard

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A New Plan?

A New Plan?

Maybe we should stuff the lot of them on a one way trip to Afghan, let them earn their privileges first.

And then whilst they are all away take over Number 10 and put Jeremy Clarkson in charge?:pDT_Xtremez_30:

By the time the politicians make it back the country will be sorted (lets be honest, even Clarkson couldn't make it worse than it is already!).

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