Menezes Inquest

[firestorm]

You are right, I wouldn't want to be in this situation.
Regardless of his status it could have been any law abiding person of British nationality who got slotted.
I just wanted to set the facts out here.
He wasn't wearing a padded jacket, he didn't run, he wasn't challenged, he didn't vault the barrier, he wasn't acting suspiciously.
He didn't deserve to die.
The Met fcuked up, they said so themselves. Ian Blair will probably pay with this with his job. Though he gets a fat pension and not holes in his head.

 

[CodeMonkey]

He wasn't wearing a jacket, he didn't run, he wasn't challenged, he didn't vault the barrier, he wasn't acting suspiciously. He didn't deserve to die.

Well he was wearing a jacket, just not a puffa jacket as initially reported.

As for the rest you are right, he just had the misfortune of exiting a property under surveilance coupled with poor identification.

 

[gemarriott]

So the fact that he had overstayed his Visa ended in his death which is OK by some? This sucks FFS!

Of course it sucks and it isn't OK but ultimately the facts are he is dead because he stayed in the country illegally. Maybe his death will result in systems being put into place to prevent similar misadventures in the future but I doubt it!

 

[firestorm]

CM, I edited my post before you posted the above.
You are correct he was wearing a thin denim jacket.
as seen here
http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/jean-charles-de-menezes-body.jpg

 

[Realist78]

Of course it sucks and it isn't OK but ultimately the facts are he is dead because he stayed in the country illegally. Maybe his death will result in systems being put into place to prevent similar misadventures in the future but I doubt it!

He's dead because he was misidentified.

 

[Joe_90]

Part of the problem the journos have caused with this story is to somehow give the impression that the cops were acting all gung-ho because they had firearms. Personally my time in the military has taught me nothing but respect for weapons and I'd be very surprised if the Met let people out onto the street without that same respect, especially if they thought those people might go around slotting suspects on the off chance.
What happened was tragic but I have no doubt everybody on the ground acted exactly as they should with the intelligence available.

 

[gemarriott]

He's dead because he was misidentified.

he's dead because he was misidentified because he was in the country illegaly!

We can play wordgames all night and go round in circles. Fact remains the only guarantee he had of not being shot in a London subway months after his right to be there legally had expired was to have gone home when his visa ran out.

I'm not saying he should have been shot for over staying, merely that he would deffo not have been had he gone back to Brazil when he should have!

 

[Ex-Bay]

He's dead because he was misidentified.

There's not a lot of time to have a committee meeting and decide what to do. As it turns out, it was wrong and an innocent (for these purposes) man was shot dead. What you gonna do given that problem, put the train and its passengers at risk? I frankly doubt it.

The fact remains that he should not have been there.
I sympathise with the shooters and blame the Officers in Charge.

 

[Bitburger]

He's dead because he was misidentified.

But back to my original post I rather have the first headline

 

[Realist78]

But back to my original post I rather have the first headline

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Realist78]

he's dead because he was misidentified because he was in the country illegaly!

We can play wordgames all night and go round in circles. Fact remains the only guarantee he had of not being shot in a London subway months after his right to be there legally had expired was to have gone home when his visa ran out.

I'm not saying he should have been shot for over staying, merely that he would deffo not have been had he gone back to Brazil when he should have!

There's no finer guarantee that had he gone home etc etc, that is no comfort to his family who have lost an innocent guy.

 

[Ex-Bay]

There's no finer guarantee that had he gone home etc etc, that is no comfort to his family who have lost an innocent guy.

If his family had told him to come home on time, they wouldn't have had the problem !

 

[gemarriott]

If his family had told him to come home on time, they wouldn't have had the problem !

FFS mate blaming his mum and dad is taking things a bit far:0

 

[Tashy_Man]

FFS mate blaming his mum and dad is taking things a bit far:0

I suppose overall they were responsible......IF they hadn't had sex all that time ago, none of this would ever have happened.

Crack on.....................DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[mad_collie]

Can somebody remind me how many a brazillion is? It must be more than a million and less than a gazillion.DT_Xtremez_31:

Either way, it's a lot of electricians.

 

[firestorm]

There's not a lot of time to have a committee meeting and decide what to do. As it turns out, it was wrong and an innocent (for these purposes) man was shot dead. What you gonna do given that problem, put the train and its passengers at risk? I frankly doubt it.

The fact remains that he should not have been there.
I sympathise with the shooters and blame the Officers in Charge.

Though they did have several gold meetings on the hours leading up to his death were they pondered about his identification. Maybe this was a good time to intercept him before he got onto the tube?
The Met have been found guilty in a court of law with regard to their command and control failings.
Like you I sympathise with the trigger men and blame the principal officers, in this case, Cresida Dick. What sanctions did she face as gold command officer?
She was promoted.

 

[Verkramp]

There's no finer guarantee that had he gone home etc etc, that is no comfort to his family who have lost an innocent guy.

My Bold.

He's was only innocent of not having a bomb. He was guilty of being in this country/working/claiming benefits illegaly.

I think shooting illegals sends a strong message out to the 100,s of 1000's, of other illegal parasitic scrounging trash.

 

[Ex-Bay]

. . . . .
Like you I sympathise with the trigger men and blame the principal officers, in this case, Cresida Dick. What sanctions did she face as gold command officer?
She was promoted.

It's an old service trick. Promote them out of the way !

 

[chrisgtfc]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4804352.ece

Is it just me but would anyone else rather see a headline that says Brazilian Electrician shot by mistake by Police Marksman than one that say, Police Marksman mistakes suicide bomber for Brazilian Electrician and does not shoot him, 125 killed in explosion
.

I totally agree! He was an illegal in our country, if he was where he was supposed to be he wouldn't have got shot. Yes it's unfortunate he died but come on who pegs it from the cops when they have nothing to hide!! I feel that this can only make the police more nervy as to what they are able to do.

 

[tommo9999]

I totally agree! He was an illegal in our country, if he was where he was supposed to be he wouldn't have got shot. Yes it's unfortunate he died but come on who pegs it from the cops when they have nothing to hide!! I feel that this can only make the police more nervy as to what they are able to do.

As crass a statement as I've seen in a long time. Fcuking unfortunate!!!! The bloke was not a terrorist, no ifs or buts, he was not a threat to national security. He was murdered, simple as and there should be appropriate consequences for that action, which I don't think should include a promotion for the officer in charge.