The 'old' days?

[PingDit]

Well, there I was, in the pub chatting to some mates. The subject turned around to the youngsters of today. We agreed on the fact that when we were around the 18 to 20 year old mark, our parents and grandparents were always saying that 'things aren't what they used to be'. They declared a slip in values, lack of respect for our elders, didn't treat our ladies as they used to in their day and so on.
So, I asked a few of the guys firstly, whether they felt that the same was true of todays generation and, if so, what was the cause of the decline over the generations.

My mates waffled around a bit and couldn't really come up with the cause. I suggested to them that it was from around 30 to 40 years ago when the PC brigade opened shop and went for womens 'equality'. Now, although we all know that such a thing will never exist, that was when guys stopped opening doors for the ladies, stopped taking them flowers etc. If you ally that to today's younger generation who live their lives around computer games and television, have become self-insulated and can barely hold a conversation, is it surprising? What I ask is; how do we reconcile this and improve our lot? And, is my suggestion the cause of the/my/loadsa people's perceived 'decline'?

 

[wobbly]

What you have to do is get the people in todays communities to talk. You're correct in saying that people have become insulated as nowadays even next door neighbours find themselves strangers. When I was a kid the whole estate seemed to know each other and all the parents kept a look out over each others kids. There were even street parties, when was the last time you saw one of those in thelast 25 years?

Society has withdrawn into a hermit. People no longer want to talk to each other and this is getting even more apparent even in places like married quarters, which used to be Party Strasse.

So my vote goes on getting the community talking again and get them starting to enjoy each others company and building their community into a thriving, enjoyable place to live. Its all take take take today and people have forgot about the give. Everyone seems to want everything for nothing but the worst thing of all is the PC brifage and the American Compensation Culture. Get rid of those and you have a Great Britain once more.

Off Topic Oh, I saw a lass with 5 kids on the bus yesterday, all little bahurds. How I smiled when she took one by the hand and slapped the little bugger on the arse for swinging on the stairs. I looked around and everyone looked like they agreed with what she did. At least theres still some common sense in some young parents today.
I have slapped my kids on two occasions in their 12 and 13 years and have never had to do it again in the last 8. They learn from it and although some people say its cruel it teaches them right from wrong, something a telling off will not do as to quote a nickleback song "In one ear and out the other" it just doesn't work.
I was slapped as a kid, but it never hurt me DT_Xtremez_14:

 

[Mohammed The Bear]

I was slapped as a kid, but it never hurt me DT_Xtremez_14:

Me too but it stung like fukc. You must have been well hard or had a dad with soft handsDT_Xtremez_30:

 

[TheHogwartsBEngO]

[quote = Socrates] The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers
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This was written between 469 and 399 BC.

Looks like things never change eh?

 

[Douglas Bader's Right Leg]

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers

This was written between 469 and 399 BC.

Looks like things never change eh?

An excellent find, BEngO! One of the things that has remained unchanged in the Armed Forces is a belief by those more senior that those more junior are not a patch on their predecessors. Alas society changes and whilst certain behaviour will always be intolerable, other behaviours will change whether we like it or not.

 

[T93]

Ohhh that stung.

Ohhh that stung.

The teachers at my Grammar school used to put the fear of God into me. A large number of male teachers in the school were ex Welsh Rugby Union players, and these fellas used to lift you off the ground...by your lapels!!. I remember Mr Haigh (Maths) had no problems throwing the board duster, those old heavy wooden ones at you...soon brought the class back into line.

Did me no harm DT_Xtremez_35:

 

[Scaley brat]

Me too but it stung like fukc. You must have been well hard or had a dad with soft handsDT_Xtremez_30:

My Mam used her slipper, she said that my punishment wasn't supposed to hurt her ! I guess she had a point. DT_Xtremez_28:

I think I turned out alright ! DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[DrunkenMonki]

Nowadays i'd have been taken into care:

When I was 4 I broke my leg chasing my elder brother down the driveway, he dived to the left and I ran into my dads mini's rear bumper. My mum heard me screaming blue murder, thought I was faking it and dragged me into the house. I was lying on the floor screaming and she kept trying to stand me up. Bear in mind, as a kid I apparantly used to fake this sort of thing for attention, she obviously thought this was another attempt!

My Dad came, and just said "Carole, look at his leg..", my foot was facing the wrong way!

When we got to hospital, the doctor was looking me over, and I apparantly just started screaming "Don't let Mummy hurt me any more!!"

The thing is, in most cases, if a Doctor saw that, would an investigation into the parents be correct, or not?

My point is that not everything from the olden days was good. I too was only ever actually hit once by my Dad, I still remember the shock now! But I do think there needs to be an inbetween solution, not all the total PC bull we get, but equally not a return to all the ways we used to have.

 

[TheHogwartsBEngO]

That 'Suppernanny' Jo Frost seems to have good ideas. She doesn't endorse smacking but her system of denying attention for bad behaviour, rewarding good behaviour and, above al,l consistency in discipline seems to have a positive effect. She also advocates teaching children very clear boundaries.

It's a similar system that Mrs BEngO uses in the classroom - it's called 'Positive Reinforcement' and she has had some excellent results from otherwise very wayward children in her charge.

It is also considered that these principles can be applied effectively to older children and even adults to achieve attitude changes.

As it happens, I recall that both my parents would give me a slap accross the back of the legs if I was really naughty - I got a slap a fair few times. It stung a bit, but nothing too bad and I was left in no doubt that what I had done was wrong, and I never did that particular naughty thing again.

So although it will be a very last result, Mini BEngO can expect a gentle slap accross the back of his legs if he really steps out of line. But like I say, last resort - we'll give 'the naughty corner' technique a fair go first when he's old enough to understand.

 

[Goatherdingsplitter]

The teachers at my Grammar school used to put the fear of God into me. A large number of male teachers in the school were ex Welsh Rugby Union players, and these fellas used to lift you off the ground...by your lapels!!. I remember Mr Haigh (Maths) had no problems throwing the board duster, those old heavy wooden ones at you...soon brought the class back into line.

Did me no harm DT_Xtremez_35:

Exactly the same at my school, taught me to maintain attention (never let the teachers get out of sight and improved reflexes no end) also learned to take hard knocks and not go seeking revenge (well not off the pitch anyway)DT_Xtremez_31:

 

[Bitburger]

Sausage2 was beaten as a child and it did him no harm at all.

 

[wobbly]

Jesus, my senior school, central Liverpool in the 80's, it was like a warzone sometimes in the classroom. Board rubbers bouncing off heads, full on fights with the teachers. Oh, and me, setting off a smoke bomb in my chemistry class to get us all out of a lesson DT_Xtremez_42:

I ached for weeks after I was given the 'Whack' or cane across my arse. Didn't do stuff like that again. Corporal punishment ruled!!

 

[DrunkenMonki]

I once ignited a bunsen burner tap, flames arcing out across the desks! The teacher dragged me out of the science lab by my ear.

I went home and told my dad what had happened, hoping to get the teacher in crap, and thus avoid the consequences of my actions. My Dad tw@tted me on the back of my head and wrote a letter of commendation to the teacher!

I never did go off the rails that badly again...

 

[Tin basher]

I once ignited a bunsen burner tap, flames arcing out across the desks! The teacher dragged me out of the science lab by my ear. I went home and told my dad what had happened, hoping to get the teacher in crap, and thus avoid the consequences of my actions. My Dad tw@tted me on the back of my head and wrote a letter of commendation to the teacher! I never did go off the rails that badly again...

Them's the rules matey if I got a clip from a teacher or on one occasson a copper then there was another one coming from dad. In a very short space of time learning took place. Coppers and teachers were deemed to be right and their version of events carried far more weight than the version offered by a child.

 

[tommo9999]

Too right, when I was a lad coppers and teachers were gods, and never to be crossed, at any time. You knew what was coming if you went home after getting a clip of the local copper (who drank in the Labour Club with my dad).

 

[T93]

Jesus, my senior school, central Liverpool in the 80's, it was like a warzone sometimes in the classroom. Board rubbers bouncing off heads, full on fights with the teachers. Oh, and me, setting off a smoke bomb in my chemistry class to get us all out of a lesson DT_Xtremez_42:

I aches for weeks after I was given the 'Whack' or cane across my arse. Didn't do stuff like that again. Corporal punishment ruled!!

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"it was like a warzone sometimes in the classroom"

I thought the free state of scouseland was a warzone?

I will have you know Wobbly I have had the unfortunate pleasure of driving through some exotic locations such as:

Cantril Farm.
Croxteth/Toxteth.
Huyton.
Page Moss.

DT_Xtremez_42: hehe

Woolyback land aint any better

 

[Scaley brat]

Bring back the days when a teacher would offer the school bully behind the school gym for a little "attitude adjustment". Bullying was far less rampant and suicides were almost unheard of.

 

[PingDit]

The teachers/policemen angle has brought back many frightening memories!
However, are we now saying that this is the sole reason for the perceived decline in standards, and furthermore, that womens rights, the PC brigade and youngsters becoming more insular with their computer/TV lifestyle has little or nothing to do with it?

BEngO - Nice find!

 

[Tashy_Man]

I still remember to this day when i first got the cane in primary school....Mr Watkins who at the time i thought was the meanest teacher ever.......turns out he was probably the best teach ever !!

As has been said before, never did me any harm.......i might have gone off the rails a few time but soon got back on track.

Teachers, police.....people need to use their authority otherwise everything goes down the tubes.
Crack on.............DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[Sniffer]

IMO the problem is bad behaviour tends to be a learned behaviour. Years ago if we had been bol**cked at school and then went home and told our parents we would have more than likely got another telling off/grounded etc. Now the parents will go into school and collar the teacher for chastising their child. There is no respect for teachers, police, elderly, or anyone for that matter from either the parents of the kids.

I think there is also an element of children having children, many of the teenagers of today could be children of people I went to school with. (I'm 30 by the way) and many of those should have been sterilised at birth.