Tribute to a terrorist?

[mad_mo]

In regard to Mandela and his past. You could say the same about two previous Prime Ministers of Israel, Menachem Begin & Yitzhak Shamir.

Both were theorectiaclly terrorists, Begin being the leader of Irgun and Shamir a member of the Stern Gang. Both organisations had a goal of a military resistance to the British mandate in Palestine.

 

[gemarriott]

Begin was a murderous bast@rd who personally hung 2 British soldiers from a lampost and is one of the prime reasons there is little respect for Israel in this country.

 

[mad_mo]

Begin was a murderous bast@rd who personally hung 2 British soldiers from a lampost and is one of the prime reasons there is little respect for Israel in this country.

Dont forget though Gem, Ben-Gurion did not take kindly to the Irgun and classed it as an enemy to the Jewish people. Gurion's " Jewish Agency " hunted down and handed over Irgun members to the British.

 

[gemarriott]

Dont forget though Gem, Ben-Gurion did not take kindly to the Irgun and classed it as an enemy to the Jewish people. Gurion's " Jewish Agency " hunted down and handed over Irgun members to the British.

didn't help those 2 pooe buggers hung by that loony Begin though did he?

 

[firestorm]

Perhaps the ANC should have just asked the apartheid regime nicely to stop its barbaric rule then they could have all gone home for tiffin?
When many countries have a complete and fundamental change of leadership its not often pretty. Many modern nations are borne out of "terrorist" acts. Even the septics.
Regardless of what a minority of apologists say the tributes have been paid to Nobel prize winner Mandela by us and the wider world community so I'm happy he's been recognised by us.

 

[gemarriott]

Perhaps the ANC should have just asked the apartheid regime nicely to stop its barbaric rule then they could have all gone home for tiffin?
When many countries have a complete and fundamental change of leadership its not often pretty. Many modern nations are borne out of "terrorist" acts. Even the septics.
Regardless of what a minority of apologists say the tributes have been paid to Nobel prize winner Mandela by us and the wider world community so I'm happy he's been recognised by us.

so when do you want Mcguinnes and Adams to have their bronzes in Parliament square?

Once a murderous bast@rd always a murderous bast@rd and Mandela is just as bad as those 2 in my mind and I think the sooner the statue is defaced, tipped over or removed the better.

 

[GunnerP]

As such a well respected figure in African/World politics, its a shame that Mr Mandela remains virtually silent on the atrocity's carried out by his former ally and 'freedom fighter' Robert Mugabe.

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[firestorm]

Taken from an article by Malcolm Kline, June 12th 2000.

Former South African president Nelson Mandela is so outraged by this tyranny on his country's northern border that he has suggested Zimbabweans begin "picking up rifles and fighting for liberation." Making it clear that he was talking about Mugabe, Mandela declared: "That is the lesson of history -- the tyrants of today can be destroyed by you, and I am confident that you have the capacity."

Which poses another question. Morgan Tsvangirai, freedom fighter, terrorist or a man who attempts treason and assassination?

 

[gemarriott]

Taken from an article by Malcolm Kline, June 12th 2000.

Former South African president Nelson Mandela is so outraged by this tyranny on his country's northern border that he has suggested Zimbabweans begin "picking up rifles and fighting for liberation." Making it clear that he was talking about Mugabe, Mandela declared: "That is the lesson of history -- the tyrants of today can be destroyed by you, and I am confident that you have the capacity."

Which poses another question. Morgan Tsvangirai, freedom fighter, terrorist or a man who attempts treason and assassination?

so the cnut still advocates terrorism instead of the ballot box. Once a cnut always a cnut. That is not to say that Mugabe does not need dumping but it is the job of organisations like the UN or dare I say the commonwealth and not some half arsed terror group whipped up by Mandela and the rest of his ANC mates

 

[firestorm]

Can Mugabe be voted out in rigged elections? What power does the commonwealth have? So you're OK with his kind of oppression then?

 

[roverboy]

Can Mugabe be voted out in rigged elections? What power does the commonwealth have? So you're OK with his kind of oppression then?

Gem's not saying he advocates it. Your quote suggests that Mandela still advocates violence by encouraging people to pick up arms and fight. I'm sure he could influence Mugabe in a more peaceful way if he was such a spokesman for freedom and justice.

 

[gemarriott]

Can Mugabe be voted out in rigged elections? What power does the commonwealth have? So you're OK with his kind of oppression then?

It is the job of governments outside rhodesia to sort mugabe out, not terrorists whipped up into a state of civil war by rabble rousers and convicted terrorists like mandela.

How about an answer to when we'll see Adams and Mcguinnes sharing a plinth with Murderer Mandela? It would be like having the 3 musketeers re-united.

 

[firestorm]

Simple answer to that Gem. No I wouldn't like to see statues erected for Adams and Mcguinnes.
Countries don't want to get invloved in the inner working of other countries, you only have to look at the pathetic response from the commonwealth when they failed to rebuke Mugabe properly, anyway he withdrew from the commonwealth some time ago.
Pressure has been put on Mugabe for years by his neighbors but nothing has happened. Now I don't think a people as poor and oppressed the Zimbabweans have the method or means to overthrow someone like Mugabe and his regime but were is his downfall going to come from?

 

[garvey]

I think the label of terroist has to come across as being dependent on your perspective. I'm sure to people globally who have suffered from global warming caused by the west, or have known people killed in various western wars/ peacekeeping missions that OBL is a good thing, someone who stands up against overwhelming odds.

Mandela fought against something we judge by modern standards to be a crime, racism. Had he born 150 years ago? The bloke would never even have made it to a jail, he'd have been hung there and then. All about perspective.

Absolutely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_Social_and_Political_Union#Campaigning_becomes_more_militant

the WSPU launched a campaign of protest in 1912 on the basis of targeting property and avoiding violence against any person. Initially this involved smashing shop windows, but ultimately escalated to burning stately homes and bombing public buildings including Westminster Abbey. It also famously led to the death of Emily Davison as she was trampled by the King's horse, Anmer, at the Epsom Derby in 1913.

Included in the many militant acts performed were the burning of churches, restaurants and railway carriages, smashing government windows weekly, cutting telephone lines, spitting at police and politicians, partial destruction of the then Chancellor of the Exchequer David Lloyd George's home, burning grass, sending letter bombs, destroying greenhouses at Kew gardens, chaining themselves to railings and blowing up houses. A doctor was attacked with a rhino whip and in one case suffragettes rushed the House of Commons. On March 10, 1914 the militant suffragette Mary "Slasher" Richardson walked into the National Gallery and attacked Diego Velázquez's Rokeby Venus with a meat cleaver. In 1913, suffragette militancy caused £54,000 worth of damage, £36,000 of which occurred in April alone

So women in the UK get to participate in the democratic process today, in part, because of terrorist acts committed 90+ years ago.

French Resistance - bunch of terrorists, Germany was occupying France every bit as legally (ie by right of conquest) as we had been occupying, for example, India for the previous 150 years.DT_Xtremez_40:

 

[Hitback]

I don't know if this is trueDT_Xtremez_42: but I heared Mr J Adams was going to get a statue made and erected in London. This is for all his hard work with the peace agreement.

OK it's a fib but you never know with this government and the London Lord Mayor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MAINJAFAD]

OK it's a fib but you never know with this government and the London Lord Mayor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Red Ken's London Mayor and the Lord Mayor of London are two completely different offices. The Lord Mayor is the mayor of the City of London, which is a square mile around the area of St Paul’s.

 

[mad_mo]

Red Ken's London Mayor and the Lord Mayor of London are two completely different offices. The Lord Mayor is the mayor of the City of London, which is a square mile around the area of St Paul’s.

Did you know, traditionally, The Lord Mayor of London, who, as senior Magistrate of the City of London, is also the senior Judge of the Central Criminal Court (Old Bailey)

 

[Hitback]

Thank you for the correction, London Mayor.

 

[gemarriott]

I don't know if this is trueDT_Xtremez_42: but I heared Mr J Adams was going to get a statue made and erected in London. This is for all his hard work with the peace agreement.

OK it's a fib but you never know with this government and the London Lord Mayor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fcuking nice one you cnut, you had my blood presssure climbing till I read the last bitDT_Xtremez_17: