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Why is it someone else can tell me when I can go out and purchase booze? Then make the assumption that I can't possibly be responsible enough to know when I've had enough and behave myself after having a few jars after the present closing hours?
Yes people are going to kick the ar5e out of it until the initial novelty has worn off. Its like putting a kid in a sweet shop and telling them not to eat too much and their appetite before dinner.
Mind you doing it just before christmas might not have been the best time to introduce it, after the new year when we're all skint and hungover anyway might have been a better idea.
Why is it someone else can tell me when I can go out and purchase booze? Then make the assumption that I can't possibly be responsible enough to know when I've had enough and behave myself after having a few jars after the present closing hours?
Yes people are going to kick the ar5e out of it until the initial novelty has worn off. Its like putting a kid in a sweet shop and telling them not to eat too much and their appetite before dinner.
Mind you doing it just before christmas might not have been the best time to introduce it, after the new year when we're all skint and hungover anyway might have been a better idea.
Sorry plumber as much as you make sense normaly, I have to dsagree with you on this. It won't wear off for the yoof of today as they have a different mind set to ours. We were "work hard play hard" when we were kids, unfortunatley many now are "lets get pi55ed and ferk work". At least when the pub's close and there is no more booze to get hold of, you naturally move on to home (or a party if you're lucky). No one is saying you are not responsible enough to decide when you drink, but if you can't fit it in between 1100 & 0200 (nightclub times) and ensure you have booze in your accomodation/home that you buy from the supermarkets (also open 24 hours a day), then perhaps there is a problem there (not you personally, I hasten to add, just in general)
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Twonston Pickle
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I have to agree with Stax here; the majority of people are responsible and know thier limits but is 24 hour drinking worth it when considering the yoof? I often don't feel comfortable at all when out and about as it is without even more drunken yobs throughout the whole day. At least the benefit scroungers have somewhere else to spend their money during all hours now rather than just the bookies.
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Leo Sayer Difficulties
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I like the idea of a bit more freedom of choice in the drinking realm, but it's going to make the Leo Sayer a bit more difficult to achieve some practise will be required before attempting this feat of endurance.
On the subject of yoof I'm quite a believer of the 21 rule. This may be one of the only thing our anal yank friends have got right. (Plus I quite like the inferrance that I might be less than 21 when I visit one of their bars.) ( OK whom I kidding they're just being anal when they ask for ID as even in their thick skulls I wouldn't pass for 31 let alone 21 ).
Leo Sayer Difficulties
I like the idea of a bit more freedom of choice in the drinking realm, but it's going to make the Leo Sayer a bit more difficult to achieve some practise will be required before attempting this feat of endurance.
On the subject of yoof I'm quite a believer of the 21 rule. This may be one of the only thing our anal yank friends have got right. (Plus I quite like the inferrance that I might be less than 21 when I visit one of their bars.) ( OK whom I kidding they're just being anal when they ask for ID as even in their thick skulls I wouldn't pass for 31 let alone 21 ).Stax said:
On the subject of "the yoof of today" I really don't think they're any better or worse than we were as youngsters (go on remember the things we did for shi7s and giggles
). Alot of the misconceptions about them come from us getting older growing up and not being part of the "yoof" culture anymore and thus not understanding it. Then the gutter press print incredulus stories about how things are getting out of control (How many sensational newspaper articles have you read only to find in truth, things are not that bad). Looking at one of the papers this morning there were the usual pictures (the same ones being printed over the last year) to emphasise the point the new laws are a bad thing, funny thing is there were no stories behind the pictures or an exaplanation that they are the same pictures that they've used innumerous times before.
As for the trouble that comes at kicking out time, If there wasn't one would there be any more trouble than usual? I'm not saying there won't be any trouble, but name any time when there wasn't trouble due to drink. I think the main problem are the pre club pubs etc that encourage drunkeness i.e. buy one get one free offers on cocktails or 30p shots of vodka and free mixer (god that was a messy night
) etc we all know the places I'm on about.As for planning ahead and making sure I had booze in the house etc. Why should the choice of venues be restricted for the vast well behaved majority of us? I personnally don't want to go to a night club after a nice night out with the other half, I'd much prefer to go back to or stay in my local.
And finally as for roving bands of wild drunks roaming the streets all hours of the day, I remember this argument being used the last time the licensing hours were changed, it didn't happen people still had to go to work.
Treat us like grown ups and give us the choice, if people abuse it throw the book at them.
You are spot on Plumber, I was a drunken slob as an SAC, and the 5hits and giggles we got up to were legendary in many cases. However we did know when to stop and we looked after each other. The reason I am against it is, I have kids of ando 21 and whilst (luckily) both mine are sensible, I have seen the state their mates get into. Now my memory isn't that shot with age, we weren't that bad! Nowadays they go out specifically to drink themselves insensible, can you honestly say, apart from a minority who probably drank themselves to death, you and your mates went out for that specific reason? I am not trying to quash anyones freedom of choice but think on, do we really need 24 hr drinking, I mean need it I dont think so, we already get approx 15 hrs a day surely thats enough. Also, try bar work, it's hard enough working within the current laws and times, 24 hr drinking, coming on shift at 2 AM to face some pr1ck who has been drinking most of the day, it's not fun.
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Twonston Pickle
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Maybe a possible increase in drink-driving offences, deaths etc. This government just seems to be going for the popular, look-at-me-I'm-wiv-it, vote.
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No. Your right its not a necessity. But how many things in life actually are? All I'm saying is I want a choice.
As for bar work, Ive done and didn't like it (the hours interfered with my social life), no I wouldn't like to have to do it, but then who is making anyone do the job, remember people can always just walk away from the job or be responible and refuse to serve a drunk.
Agree with you Fomz I've turned up for work the worse for wear many a time, but then again if someone does turn up for work because he's been drinking til silly o'clock in the morning we can take disciplinary action against them. I'm not saying charge them straight away, maybe start with extra teas and keys duties etc and work upwards. I remember extra duties always worked on me.
Where does the correlation come in between extended hours and drink driving? The people that will go out and do this will drink and drive whether the hours are extended or not. Extended hours are not gioing to encourage anyone to go out and do it, or am I being too generous in my faith in other people?
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Twonston Pickle
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Plumber,
You are right to some extent but I was not suggesting that people would drink and then get straight into their cars. My concern is that people might drink a little bit later during the evening and then we see an increase in drink related accidents the following morning?
I'm no prude and I'm all for choice as well but I think we should all be allowed responsible choices rather than "I want to get bladdered all day long so I should be able to". Besides, I do not want to be funding the increase in policing required - which the Home Office has already said will happen (although it actually said an increase in crime will be natural as they (the Police) get tougher- yeah, right!) - and be on the receiving end of yet more drunken behaviour.
There was absolutely nothing wrong (maybe restrictive) with our current drinking hours and laws but this government has seen fit to waste palimentary time on a side issue (think fox hunting) rather than tackle real problems (NHS, schools). Where are the priorities? Surely we should fix the NHS first before creating more patients via the drinking laws?
Rant over
You are right to some extent but I was not suggesting that people would drink and then get straight into their cars. My concern is that people might drink a little bit later during the evening and then we see an increase in drink related accidents the following morning?
I'm no prude and I'm all for choice as well but I think we should all be allowed responsible choices rather than "I want to get bladdered all day long so I should be able to". Besides, I do not want to be funding the increase in policing required - which the Home Office has already said will happen (although it actually said an increase in crime will be natural as they (the Police) get tougher- yeah, right!) - and be on the receiving end of yet more drunken behaviour.
There was absolutely nothing wrong (maybe restrictive) with our current drinking hours and laws but this government has seen fit to waste palimentary time on a side issue (think fox hunting) rather than tackle real problems (NHS, schools). Where are the priorities? Surely we should fix the NHS first before creating more patients via the drinking laws?
Rant over
Twonston Pickle said:
Don't get me wrong, I whole heartedly agree with what you've just said, with rights come responsibilities. All I'm in favor of is to be able to responsibly choose to socialise after the hours allowed at the moment in a venue of my choice.
As for this government, well what can I say that hasn't been said before.
Apparantly we get the government we deserve (yeah right).Just to stoke this one up again, I heard on the radio this morning the home office has just released figures for serious crimes involving drink, since the introduction of the new licensing laws.
The police revealed that violent crime is down by 11% and other serious crimes have fallen by an even sharper amount. It also said that the funding for the extra policing was about to run out and so the police presence will now decline in the youth centered drinking areas, and its too early to say whether the extended hours have directly iffluenced this reduction in crime.
I for one hope the doom mongerers have been proved wrong and people can actually be considered responsible enough to choose for themselves where and when they would like to drink.
The police revealed that violent crime is down by 11% and other serious crimes have fallen by an even sharper amount. It also said that the funding for the extra policing was about to run out and so the police presence will now decline in the youth centered drinking areas, and its too early to say whether the extended hours have directly iffluenced this reduction in crime.
I for one hope the doom mongerers have been proved wrong and people can actually be considered responsible enough to choose for themselves where and when they would like to drink.