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New Accomodation Model

Oldstacker

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"An army captain said: "I could conceive of no single policy better placed to drive quality officers out of the service and tear the heart out of the organisation"....He added that he was planning to resign within the next two years, saying: "Anecdotally, most of my peers are also now planning to leave on varying but similar timetables"

As mentioned above ref "senior officer" but also if they are planning on "resigning" in two years its hardly a major issue, they could go now if really unhappy, more likely the end of their short term commision and been told to speak out
I suspect that the 2 years comment is linked to his next posting date and, hence, the point where he could end up in a smaller MQ. His pension linked to length of service may also be a factor. I don't think he's going just because of the change, rather it's a case of it being the final straw in a steady decline in ts and cs and benefits of service life.
 

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Here's a member of the two winged master race who (allegedly) wasn't over bothered about the actual rules that apply around rent and property.

 

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Do they still have the stupid rule that AMQs for other ranks cannot have carpets that touch the skirting boards?

I remember going into friends' quarters where there was a 6-inch gap between the edge of the carpet and the skirting board.
My family unit started using FMQ's in 2012 up until I left the RAF and never heard of that antiquated rule to still be existing. I can't even fathom why in the first place, must of been a real evil bellend to even think it up into policy.
 

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My family unit started using FMQ's in 2012 up until I left the RAF and never heard of that antiquated rule to still be existing. I can't even fathom why in the first place, must of been a real evil bellend to even think it up into policy.
It existed, essentially, as a cost saving measure - each room was carpeted to a 'maximum rectangle' of carpet; i.e. there were no fitting costs and there was a maximum %age of the floor area that could be covered and the carpets could be ordered in standard widths. All to save time and money when renewals were due.
 

muttywhitedog

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Seems you may be correct at least according to the BBC.


"An army captain said: "I could conceive of no single policy better placed to drive quality officers out of the service and tear the heart out of the organisation"....He added that he was planning to resign within the next two years, saying: "Anecdotally, most of my peers are also now planning to leave on varying but similar timetables".
Aww - bless 'em. The last bit of apartheid being removed from HM Forces and they dont like it.
 
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Here's a member of the two winged master race who (allegedly) wasn't over bothered about the actual rules that apply around rent and property.

Who also, in a very quick read, appears to have spent an extraordinarily long time 'abroad'.
 

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https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/military-wives-force-army-uturn-accommodation-plans/

This is unbelievable. Army officer wives have kicked up such a fuss that the Government have halted the plans for the New Accommodation Model for now.

The Telegraph has also reported on this, needs based is fairer than rank based!
On paper and at first sight yes. But the issue was that it was to be achieved by taking something (larger houses) away from someone who already had it rather than making better provision for the 'have nots'.
If you consider bigger houses as part of the 'reward package ' that officers get, then removing their right to a bigger house is an arbitrary cut to their reward package. Would you support paying them more as compensation? I don't know what rank you are but would you accept a pay cut because someone junior to you has more children and needs a bigger income?
 

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https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/military-wives-force-army-uturn-accommodation-plans/

This is unbelievable. Army officer wives have kicked up such a fuss that the Government have halted the plans for the New Accommodation Model for now. The Telegraph has also reported on this,
Also the BBC has picked up the story
 

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Here's a member of the two winged master race who (allegedly) wasn't over bothered about the actual rules that apply around rent and property.

I brushed shoulders with him in the past. Not usually the line of work (SAR Pilot) they take tactics specialists from...looks like when SAR went Civvy he greased the wheels with enough courses to secure something lucrative.

Was £20k worth losing [potentially] his pension over and any chance of working for a decent company once he's turfed out?
 

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What was the point of segregation? I was led to believe that one of the reasons was that if I was in the process of disciplining (balling out, behavioural improving punishment regimes, leaning in on someone to get them to straighten out) then at the end of the day I could go get something to eat and read a paper after without having that person and his pals glaring at me from over the room, and similarly, I could go back to my family home and not have that person living over the road from me and building up a grudge. In the same vein they got the same separation from me and had a chance to relax and not think I was always watching [and judging].

So maybe a bit of separation is required?
 

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I bought my house in 2010 and had an extension to make it big enough for our needs (2 adults, 2 kids, 1 dog). A house further down the street was owned by an Eng Officer based at Cottesmore who lived there with his partner and 2 kids. Mine was a 4 bed semi with large corner plot garden. His was a 3 bed mid-town house with minimal garden.

Should I have offered him my house as a mere Sgt wasnt worthy of owning such a large place when a Flt Lt was making do with a postage stamp garden?
 

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I bought my house in 2010 and had an extension to make it big enough for our needs (2 adults, 2 kids, 1 dog). A house further down the street was owned by an Eng Officer based at Cottesmore who lived there with his partner and 2 kids. Mine was a 4 bed semi with large corner plot garden. His was a 3 bed mid-town house with minimal garden.

Should I have offered him my house as a mere Sgt wasnt worthy of owning such a large place when a Flt Lt was making do with a postage stamp garden?
No, because both of you have chosen to spend your money as you see fit and made your own choice of where to live. In neither case is the house part of the 'reward package' that MOD gives you for your service. Would you have been happy to give up part of your existing pay at your next posting so that SACs could have a pay rise?
 

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No, because both of you have chosen to spend your money as you see fit and made your own choice of where to live. In neither case is the house part of the 'reward package' that MOD gives you for your service. Would you have been happy to give up part of your existing pay at your next posting so that SACs could have a pay rise?
I take it that, just like in my example, that a 4 bed house costs more than a FQ which costs more than a 3 bed, which costs more than a 2 bed?

So the JR with 3 kids will be paying a greater % of his wages on his 4 bed FQ than the Officer with no kids in a 2 bed house. Again, thats fair enough. Rents also need to be more in line with the national level and maintained under the same laws where rogue landlords get prosecuted (or should do). My daughter rents a 2 bed terrace that is in poor condition and costs a fortune to heat and she pays £600 a month out of her £28k salary. She went almost a year with no upstairs lights working, fearful that if she asked for them to be fixed she would be served a S21. Other 2 bed terraced houses in the area in good standard rent for £700+ a month. Plus water bills.

Now, I'm not advocating service personnel pay that level, but as they earn similar amounts, then it is not unreasonable that a well maintained 2 bed FQ costs £450 a month, a 3 bed £550 and a 4 bed £650, including water, still representing a saving against what the individual would pay outside the wire.
 

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Isn't this change being forced by HMRC, requiring discounted accommodation being need based, or it becomes a taxable benefit.

I don't think I'd begrudge current serving discounted accommodation, and don't think market rent would reduce the Defence Bill enough to make that much of a difference.
 

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I hadn't heard the HMRC connection. I thought it was to alleviate shortages of JR accommodation, partly to aid retention but also to avoid costly open market substitute accommodation being required for JRs when officers' mqs are empty (or vice versa) at the same unit.
It also helps to cover up the numbers of houses that are unusable.
 

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Now the lawyers are involved as it appears there are different age based rules in different forces.

"Lawyers from UK legal firm Leigh Day believe that as many as 80,000 serving members of the military could be eligible to join the compensation claim after allegedly being unfairly overcharged by the MoD for housing in the last six months because of their age and potentially their marital status."

 
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I think the change has been driven by the loss of the Annington Homes rebate and the MOD can not afford their part of the rent to increase. They have of course used it as a lever to modernise the accommodation offer. This link is to an article that explains how we find ourselves in the current situation, which the Army were describing as their 'cliff edge' moment in regards to retention. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/apr/25/mod-privatise-military-housing-disaster-guy-hands
 
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