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Tin basher

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France has one the most generous pension schemes anywhere in the world it has been unaffordable for a long time but no one dared change it. Has Macron made the right choice, time will tell.
"Mandatory state pension provision - The scheme aims to provide up to a maximum of 50% of the retiree's income during their 25 highest earning years up to the Plafond de la sécurité sociale (€41,136 annually in 2022). "

A possible 41K euro a year state pension (around 780 euros a week) from the age of 62 I can see why the populous don't want that to change and why a government would want to.

 

Junter

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Are contributions for state pensions invested like with private pension schemes or is the money just p1ssed against the wall?
 

Oldstacker

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Either. A friend of mine said governments would have to invest the money they receive from pension contributions but I'm not sure they do.
Nope. I can't speak for France but in the UK there is no form of investment of your current contributions (via NI) being invested in order to pay your future pension. What you pay in today is being used to pay out to the current pensioners and that has always been the case. It's one of the reasons why maintaining the right ratio of working people to pensioners is so important and why the 'triple lock' guarantee is such a dangerous thing for governments. With a growing population of people living past retirement age, and living ever longer past it, the requirement for there to be ever more people paying into the system just to ensure there is sufficient money to pay all those pensions also keeps growing. The raising of the pension age is one of the few ways in which that ratio can be rebalanced given that it's rather hard to actually increase the working population who are paying in and the only other alternative is to make those who are paying in pay ever more per head. How much more tax does anyone want to pay for current pensioners, in the hope that in 20, 30, 40 or more years time there will be enough people still paying in to fund their pensions?
 

busby1971

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Local government schemes typically have investment vehicles so are funded and invested, this doesn’t mean they are invested wisely but some are and some probably aren’t.

Non-local government are funded out of taxation (individuals contribute about 10% and department/quangos are charged about 20% on average but it doesn’t go anywhere, just into the big pot of government income). Some CS may have some grandparent rights to final salary entitlements , but most current schemes (but probably not the MPs one) promise an enhanced index linked 2% of that years salary for life (which is quite a good rate)

NI is just a form of Government Income, it isnt ring fenced and is just as likely to be spent filling pot holes, as covering pensions and healthcare. Some people seem to think they have earned their Stage Pension through NI contributions, but they haven’t that money has been spent, all they have done is meet the qualifying criteria which can change at any time, to be paid a benefit on a regular basis as the government of the day sees fit.

Just for comparison the private sector typical rate of matching is up-to about 5% so if you pay 5% that’s 10% in total, with a typical pension payment of 6% of investment, so for the average private sector worker pension accrual is around 0.6% per year against 2% per year for the public sector, although investment performance might boost this towards 1% or more if your really lucky, but this isn’t guaranteed like a public pension and certainly not fully indexed linked.
 
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