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Kier fails to tell the truth

busby1971

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Just thought I’d best come on here to check-out the latest political outrage of a senior Civil Servant holding secret talks with a political party about a top table job in a future government.

But, hey nothing, perhaps politics is becoming a better place.
 

Tin basher

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Kier fails to tell the truth

He's a politician of course he tells fibs, hard to find one that doesn't.
 

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Goch, darn, who'd have thought that a politician, especially a Liarbore one, would be ecconomical with the truth. But, Mr Stammerer was taught bt the Arc Truth Bender Tony B Liar
 

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By not answering questions when asked directly by the MSM.

Is not telling the truth just as bad as telling a lie?
 

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Sorry I was wrong, not that he didn’t tell the truth, but apparently it was a lie, sorry about that.
 

Tin basher

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Is not telling the truth just as bad as telling a lie?
Being "economical with the truth" has got folk in hot water before. I first heard the expression during evidence given by Sir Robert Armstrong, British cabinet secretary, in the 'Spycatcher' book trial (1986), he said of the book.

'It contains a misleading impression, not a lie. It was being economical with the truth. '
 

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By not answering questions when asked directly by the MSM.

Is not telling the truth just as bad as telling a lie?

Is this the report compiled by the Cabinet Office who work for the Tory Government? Smells of sour grapes because her report into lockdown parties was fair and impartial, and she had a backbone and didnt turn a blind eye to the shit that she got to hear about. No wonder Kier Starmer hired her - the one with principles and morals, unwilling to be bullied into silence by this right wing dictatorship.

For you gammoners who are jumping on the outrage bus, try watching PMQs every Wednesday at 12 noon. You'll see the art of not answering a question displayed perfectly by the Rt "Honourable" member for Richmond. Cant recall any of you finding that wrong.
 

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try watching PMQs every Wednesday at 12 noon. You'll see the art of not answering a question displayed perfectly
PMQ's a regular weekly watch at TB towers. There are a few hundred people sat in the Commons who are indeed experts at never answering the question posed. regardless of political stance. Plus of course the usual added bonus of all bad ideas eminate from the other side, your policy bad, my policy good bickering. If only the party opposite did it my way all would be well etc etc sometimes it can be quite amusing.
 

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Sorry, but this is about not telling the truth, which appears to be proven, and the fact that some are allowed to do this and others are not.

The circumstances of the lie does not change its status of it being a lie.
 

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Sorry, but this is about not telling the truth, which appears to be proven, and the fact that some are allowed to do this and others are not.

The circumstances of the lie does not change its status of it being a lie.
Has this been proven by any area other than by the Cabinet Office, which is headed by Tory ministers and does what the tories tell them to do?

If you are saying Kier Starmer refused to answer a question from the MSM about a tory-led which hunt, then I'm not surprised.
 

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tory-led which hunt
Just to clarify then if the machine of state investgates, inquires, scrutinises the actions of Boris that's a completely acceptable process and a proper use of tax payers money. If the machine of state investgates, inquires, scrutinises or even glances at the actions of Kier it's a "Tory led witch hunt".
 

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Has this been proven by any area other than by the Cabinet Office, which is headed by Tory ministers and does what the tories tell them to do?

If you are saying Kier Starmer refused to answer a question from the MSM about a tory-led which hunt, then I'm not surprised.
Let's be clear, the Cabinet Office is under a tory minister because all government departments are overseen by government ministers. Like all departmental civil servants, the CS in the Cabinet Office are bound by the CS code to be unbiased in terms of political interventions and to apply the rules and make decisions in a non-political manner. So are you saying that the CS in the Cabinet Office have themselves breached the CS code? A serious charge and one that should be reported. In doing so, you may wish to remember that Sue Gray was herself the 2nd most senior civil servant in the Cabinet Office and, therefore, if there is a culture of political bias in that department the past senior leadership may have to be held to account and their own leadership & biases (if any...) questioned.,
 

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Let's be clear, the Cabinet Office is under a tory minister because all government departments are overseen by government ministers. Like all departmental civil servants, the CS in the Cabinet Office are bound by the CS code to be unbiased in terms of political interventions and to apply the rules and make decisions in a non-political manner. So are you saying that the CS in the Cabinet Office have themselves breached the CS code? A serious charge and one that should be reported. In doing so, you may wish to remember that Sue Gray was herself the 2nd most senior civil servant in the Cabinet Office and, therefore, if there is a culture of political bias in that department the past senior leadership may have to be held to account and their own leadership & biases (if any...) questioned.,
Remind me why Sue Gray headed the enquiry and not Simon Case?
 

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Although, in the real world outside of egoat and possibly arrse, I'm not really actually sensing any outrage. Maybe I need to start reading the daily fail.
 

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Remind me why Sue Gray headed the enquiry and not Simon Case?
Because there was identified as having been an event in his office. I have no problem with that being investigated and appropriate action being taken by the correct authorities. The point being that those authorities should themselves be free and be seen to be free of party political bias. Once something happens that gives rise to the perception that there may be political bias then a problem exists. It is the perception that Sue Gray may have been biased that is the current problem.
 

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Just to clarify then if the machine of state investgates, inquires, scrutinises the actions of Boris that's a completely acceptable process and a proper use of tax payers money. If the machine of state investgates, inquires, scrutinises or even glances at the actions of Kier it's a "Tory led witch hunt".
Yes that appears to be correct
 
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