Abolishment of rank.

[Talk Wrench]

It's rumoured that one of the ideas flying around the ivory towers for the "Future RAF" is the total abolishment of rank to assist with "inclusivity".

When exactly did the RAF become a far left experiment?

 

[muttywhitedog]

There needs to be a command structure in place, but I'm not convinced that it has to be as overt as it is. Within a section/Sqn, those within will know who is in charge and the respect will still exist.

My recollections of many visitors to our area was they would instantly look for the person with the most stripes regardless of whether he/she was the right person to assist them.

Perhaps abolish rank slides for the normal workplace and save them for annual trips to the rockery and deployments?

 

[Deltaitem]

I've heard they're going to make the oath of allegiance optional and allow union membership to negotiate acceptance of personal weapons.

 

[Tin basher]

With Luck I'll be pushing up daisys before this lunacy becomes reality. Simply put a Jack beats a ten even though they are both cards. No rank structure no organisational structure, bonkers idea.

Said our resident KOS

 

[Cat Techie]

I've heard they're going to make the oath of allegiance optional and allow union membership to negotiate acceptance of personal weapons.

Sure I saw that in the Tory Party rule book.

 

[Cat Techie]

There needs to be a command structure in place, but I'm not convinced that it has to be as overt as it is. Within a section/Sqn, those within will know who is in charge and the respect will still exist.

My recollections of many visitors to our area was they would instantly look for the person with the most stripes regardless of whether he/she was the right person to assist them.

Perhaps abolish rank slides for the normal workplace and save them for annual trips to the rockery and deployments?

In the techie world as you well know mate, first names up to Chf Tech was the normal unless in front of unknown highers officers. Rank slides tell everyone what level the guy is if unknown personally. Officers of course we are referring to HM on the actions we take. I do not agree that rank idents should be abolished. They make things clear in the situations we used to work in. Some of the Airlines I see, the engineers have slides to show their level of authority in the line environment.

 

[Oldstacker]

And how would/could it work in the joint service environment - especially one as status conscious as the army where not just the rank but the cap badge determines the pecking order at times....?

 

[Talk Wrench]

Sure I saw that in the Tory Party rule book.

Do you have a link to that? ;-)

 

[muttywhitedog]

In the techie world as you well know mate, first names up to Chf Tech was the normal unless in front of unknown highers officers. Rank slides tell everyone what level the guy is if unknown personally. Officers of course we are referring to HM on the actions we take. I do not agree that rank idents should be abolished. They make things clear in the situations we used to work in. Some of the Airlines I see, the engineers have slides to show their level of authority in the line environment.

Most of the techies I have worked with (Jags/Tonkas/Harriers) wore a Sqn T shirt and a pair of denims usually tied round the waist. The only rank slides on view were the Sgt on the trade desk, the TM's/FS/WO. If the Sgts were spannering, they'd be in denims like their team. When I joined them on overseas dets for a spannering session, I'd be in a T shirt too.

 

[Tin basher]

I do not agree that rank idents should be abolished. They make things clear in the situations we used to work in.

Also in this age of raging wokery using rank as a form of address gets round "accidentally" using the wrong naming pronoun he/she/Ms/shim/it/they/ etc etc. If the system continues to fall down the woke rabbit hole surely the officer corp will have to ditch the sir/maam thing in favour of some gender neutral terms like mate, pal, buddy.

 

[Cat Techie]

Most of the techies I have worked with (Jags/Tonkas/Harriers) wore a Sqn T shirt and a pair of denims usually tied round the waist. The only rank slides on view were the Sgt on the trade desk, the TM's/FS/WO. If the Sgts were spannering, they'd be in denims like their team. When I joined them on overseas dets for a spannering session, I'd be in a T shirt too.

True, on the local environment of the line or on the hangar floor. I am sure when we had visits or the upper station management about, the overalls were worn up? Oh, they were! Hearing a future Gp Capt shouting out "Its a Tornado!" to Michael Portillo when he visited Colt in 1996 as Sec Def with his SAC tabs showing.

 

[Deltaitem]

So, anyway, what does woke mean?

 

[busby1971]

The way the military operates means it not only needs rank, these things need to be easily identifiable.

There’s a lot on unnecessary baggage in peace time so that war time just works.

 

[Cat Techie]

The way the military operates means it not only needs rank, these things need to be easily identifiable.

There’s a lot on unnecessary baggage in peace time so that war time just works.

One doesn't disagree with that. To those on here that have been in hot situations.

 

[Cat Techie]

So, anyway, what does woke mean?

To be awake for a start?

 

[Tin basher]

So, anyway, what does woke mean?

OFF TOPIC

Many things to many people. Either no body dare say anything in case someone gets upset and runs off to cry in the corner, or it means you are awake to the issues of the modern day, or this https://metro.co.uk/2021/10/30/what...is-it-an-insult-wokeism-explained-2-15509986/ or its total trendy made up b0ll0x.

OFF TOPIC

 

[Light Blue Warrior]

So, anyway, what does woke mean?

S'easy. A simple way of describing it is this. If you're woke, you're a twat.

 

[4mastacker]

And how would/could it work in the joint service environment - especially one as status conscious as the army where not just the rank but the cap badge determines the pecking order at times....?

..and more importantly, their wives.