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Shader aircraft shoot down Iranian drones

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And having stood up against an adversary that won't put up much of a fight against us, a damn shame the west in general isn't doing the same against the Russians, IMO.
 
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Deltaitem said:
And having stood up against an adversary that won't put up much of a fight against us, a damn shame the west in general isn't doing the same against the Russians, IMO.
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The Russians? Didn't you know about the successful "Peace Dividend"?

Options for Change anyone?

As for Iran, at least they don't have nukes....yet.
 
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My point exactly, easy opponents and out come the shiny weapons, but if the adversary looks a bit tasty, we'll just wimp out leave the Ukrainians to die.

We weren't so twitchy when Poland needed some help.

The peace dividend and options for change were like, thirty years ago and more. Since then there's been a war on terror, Iraq, Afghanistan, to say nothing of a rootin' tootin' full-on war in Europe. Russia's industrial base went on to a war footing over a year ago, and what are our lot doing? Moaning about whether or not a politician stuck to the rules when selling a council house and spaffing hundreds of millions on an utterly failed Rwanda policy.

The time and option to procrastinate disappeared long ago, and letting the Russians do anything other than lose is not going to make us safer.

As for Iran, all the others, and Israel, get round a table and work it out. South Africa, managed it, and even Northern Ireland managed it. And while I'm not at all happy at seeing ex provos running the place, it's better than having them going around killing people.

All of which is kinda off-topic, but there you go.
 
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Deltaitem said:
My point exactly, easy opponents and out come the shiny weapons, but if the adversary looks a bit tasty, we'll just wimp out leave the Ukrainians to die.

We weren't so twitchy when Poland needed some help.

The peace dividend and options for change were like, thirty years ago and more. Since then there's been a war on terror, Iraq, Afghanistan, to say nothing of a rootin' tootin' full-on war in Europe. Russia's industrial base went on to a war footing over a year ago, and what are our lot doing? Moaning about whether or not a politician stuck to the rules when selling a council house and spaffing hundreds of millions on an utterly failed Rwanda policy.

The time and option to procrastinate disappeared long ago, and letting the Russians do anything other than lose is not going to make us safer.

As for Iran, all the others, and Israel, get round a table and work it out. South Africa, managed it, and even Northern Ireland managed it. And while I'm not at all happy at seeing ex provos running the place, it's better than having them going around killing people.

All of which is kinda off-topic, but there you go.
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Gonna be hard to, as Iran fund the likes of Hamas and Hizballah who are on the lists of international terror organisations. The shared ideology of both terror groups is to wipe out the Israel nation. So not sure you would get Israel around any negotiating table with Iran.
 
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How long before Iran feels the wrath of Israel and becomes a series of glass deserts?
 
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I hope not. The Iranian government are not a reflection of the majority of Iranian citizens, and given half a chance, they would be a very good country to do business with. If ever a country needed a Regime Change, it is that one.
 
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Barch said:
How long before Iran feels the wrath of Israel and becomes a series of glass deserts?
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I don't think so.
Yes its a country run by a dictatorship al beit a religious one rather than your standard tyrannical regime (Putin Kim Jung ill, Assad etc) but I reckon most Iranians would like to see the back of the mad Mullahs who hold sway mainly by fear. I'm certain the ladies of the country would welcome a government that acknowledged they are equal citizens of the country. I am concerned that the Iran drone strike, ineffective though it was, will lead to escalation of things in the region. Iran will perhaps now stir up more action by its proxies even if it appears to be behaving itself on the world stage. It will be interesting to see how other arab nations who traditionally don't like Iran balance the supposed regional dislike of Israel with their Iran position.
 
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I found it interesting that the attack was telegraphed in advance and the fact that the missiles had been launched was also well known. To me, it has the feel of a strike being launched to demonstrate that they have the power (and possibly to 'big themselves up' for domestic consumption) whilst at the same time giving maximum opportunity to minimise the effects - three countries other than Israel brought down incoming weapons. I think Iran was just trying to satisfy 'honour' and that, provided Israel don't respond & escalate matters further, state on state conflict is unlikely to follow this particular episode.
 
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Iran runs its affairs in a similar vein to mid 80s communist countries, the ideology of the leaders supported by those with skin in the game, usual power/money. The gen pop who just want to get by have no power and live in fear.

It’s a strange world at the moment, Ukraine is a walk in the park compared to the Islam v everyone else issue and I can’t see a resolution, the lack of value for life for others, and themselves is worrying, conflated how fellow followers refuse to condemn the violence being carried out.

Biden’s recent good intentioned efforts to bring Iran back into the international fold have well and truely bit him on the arse, and I don’t understand how the ‘progressive’ left continually support the ‘regressive’ religious regimes.
 
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muttywhitedog said:
I hope not. The Iranian government are not a reflection of the majority of Iranian citizens, and given half a chance, they would be a very good country to do business with. If ever a country needed a Regime Change, it is that one.
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I work with a guy from Iran, always says he's from Persia when asked. Really nice lad and very clever (think he and his wife have 3 or 4 degrees between them). I concur with you that many citizens there would welcome regime change..
 
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busby1971 said:
Iran runs its affairs in a similar vein to mid 80s communist countries, the ideology of the leaders supported by those with skin in the game, usual power/money. The gen pop who just want to get by have no power and live in fear.

It’s a strange world at the moment, Ukraine is a walk in the park compared to the Islam v everyone else issue and I can’t see a resolution, the lack of value for life for others, and themselves is worrying, conflated how fellow followers refuse to condemn the violence being carried out.

Biden’s recent good intentioned efforts to bring Iran back into the international fold have well and truely bit him on the arse, and I don’t understand how the ‘progressive’ left continually support the ‘regressive’ religious regimes.
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There is another similarity with the 80's (and current) communists - the perpetual blaming of external enemies who must be confronted and the use of 'them' as a pretext for internal repression at home. No matter what goes wrong at home with the economy or civil unrest it is always possible to blame external agencies and then clamp down on their own populace.
The 'left' are, given the chance, every bit as repressive as religious regimes when it comes to protecting their own positions.
 
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