DHE - arses!

[Dan_Brown]

I think the OP has got a valid point. He gave 3 months notice he was arriving an dwould be requiring a FQ. He has been fobbed off each time DE has been contacted and now he is nearing arrival time; no FQ.

Get on to OC PSF and see what he can do to assist. If nothing, then it's going to have to be a few days in the block, or leave and make sure you submit a complaint about DE.

 

[True Blue Jack]

I think the OP has got a valid point. He gave 3 months notice he was arriving an dwould be requiring a FQ. He has been fobbed off each time DE has been contacted and now he is nearing arrival time; no FQ.

Get on to OC PSF and see what he can do to assist. If nothing, then it's going to have to be a few days in the block, or leave and make sure you submit a complaint about DE.

Incorrect. He has an allocated quarter but he's been told he cannot take the keys until 2 days after his posting date. Having moved house more often than Climebear but not quite as often as KingGuin I really believe the problems Julie Andrews is facing are not nearly as big as they might be.

This is in no way meant to detract from the frustrations Julie Andrews is feeling - moving house is a stressful experience, moreso when it's the first time dealing with DE.

I'm surprised that no-one has yet asked why there is a shortage of families' accommodation in Bomber County.

 

[MrMasher]

We've all been messed around by DHE, man up FFS!

Yes it's stressful, yes they can be awkward. You might not get a qtr on the exact day you ask for. But at least you'll get one.

For the sake of 2 days just phone up your new place, explain the situation and see if you get some time off.

 

[Realist78]

Incorrect. He has an allocated quarter but he's been told he cannot take the keys until 2 days after his posting date. Having moved house more often than Climebear but not quite as often as KingGuin I really believe the problems Julie Andrews is facing are not nearly as big as they might be.

This is in no way meant to detract from the frustrations Julie Andrews is feeling - moving house is a stressful experience, moreso when it's the first time dealing with DE.

I'm surprised that no-one has yet asked why there is a shortage of families' accommodation in Bomber County.

6 Sqn might be part of the problem.

 

[mememe]

We've all been messed around by DHE, man up FFS!

Yes it's stressful, yes they can be awkward. You might not get a qtr on the exact day you ask for. But at least you'll get one.

For the sake of 2 days just phone up your new place, explain the situation and see if you get some time off.

It is attitudes like this that allows these cnuts to get away with treating us like shti. Why should he man up? We are talking 2 days here, that would suggest the 1/4 is ready however, DHE can't fit the guy in!On the other hand they could be delaying it so they can cut the grass! Yet another bollox excuse for the delay. The only way these cnuts will change is if we go for them..not just accept the usual sub-standard crap.

 

[Dan_Brown]

Exactly as post above. So because it's the norm for DE to feck up and because others have had it happen to them, then we should 'man up' and accept it?

How about DE sort their **** admin out and do the job they are paid to do instead?

 

[MrMasher]

Hell of alot of fuss over 2 days.

Yes, DHE often screw things up and get away with lots, but all this moaning over 2 days???

What if the qtr isn't ready? I bet there'd be whingeing then if someone moved in.

What if the DHE can't do the march in because they are doing other ones?

How about not making a mountain out of a molehill?

 

[Joe_90]

MrMasher those shouldn't be our problems, on the first day of your posting you're entitled to accommodation and you are no longer entitled to accommodation at your previous Unit. If DE want a house back you aren't entitled to then they'll effectively just take it and they wont care about any sort of welfare case you put forward for your family keeping it. With that in mind why shouldn't people complain when DE don't keep to their side of the bargain, we're treated like sh1t by them at the best of times.
Last time I moved I had to start a course on the first day of my post 90 miles away, I couldn't have a house until the day I was posted and my wife had to do the march in herself. She's never been in the military and has never been paid by them yet she had to go through the stress of the march in herself because DE wouldn't give me the keys to the house on the Friday instead of the Monday. Why should she have to put up with the arrogance and bullying from the DE rep by herself, at least if I'm there I have an understanding of what the lies are they're telling us? She was told it was the only house so she couldn't reject it because we would have nowhere to store our stuff when actually this house could have been rejected because of the structural faults in it and DE would have been responsible for finding us somewhere else.

 

[ukmil]

6 Sqn might be part of the problem.

6 Sqn is no part of it, other than members who originate from Cby, which amounts to a dozen or so. The mass members who came down from Leuchars are unaccompanied, so are living in the blocks, or indeed in Rented accom for the Snco's

as this thread has mentioned a few times, your only option now, is to arrive on your arrival date, then put leave in for the rest of the week. You will only be in the block for 2 nights, which is not bad by anyones standard

 

[Climebear]

MrMasher those shouldn't be our problems, on the first day of your posting you're entitled to accommodation and you are no longer entitled to accommodation at your previous Unit. If DE want a house back you aren't entitled to then they'll effectively just take it and they wont care about any sort of welfare case you put forward for your family keeping it

Not stricly correct. From JSP464, Part 1, Chapter 8

0822. Circumstances where retention of SFA/SSFA on assignment. Whilst the entitlement to SFA/SSFA normally ceases at the previous duty station on the date of assignment, it is admissible in certain circumstances and for specified periods of time for personnel to apply to the HIC to retain their SFA/SSFA at their previous duty station beyond the date of assignment as an extension of their entitlement (Para 0316). The duration of the retention should in all cases be specified, restricted to the minimum period necessary, and not exceed a period of 12 months (except VCDS 45 Minute List personnel). Personnel may reapply to the HIC to retain their SFA/SSFA for a further specified period not exceeding 12 months if the circumstances continue to persist. Circumstances and conditions under which personnel are entitled to retain their SFA/SSFA at a previous duty station are as follows:

c. SFA non-availability. In cases where SFA is not available at or near the new duty station, retention of SFA/SSFA will be authorised for a period of 28 days.

and

f. Welfare/ Medical. Where there are cases of considerable hardship including household member(s) with welfare needs, serious illness, impending or recent birth, retention of SFA/SSFA is admissible. Cases are to be considered by the Local Service Commander in consultation with the appropriate welfare, medical and educational agencies and the HIC. Approval will be given for specified periods, after which a further application may be made if necessary. Disputed cases should be referred to the appropriate Housing Colonel, who will liaise with Hd of Policy Branch, DE OPS HOUSING prior to making a final decision.

It should be noted that, like the RAF's specialist welfare provision, that the bar for this is set quite high - hence the use of the terms 'considerable hardship' and 'serious illness'.

 

[Realist78]

6 Sqn is no part of it, other than members who originate from Cby, which amounts to a dozen or so. The mass members who came down from Leuchars are unaccompanied, so are living in the blocks, or indeed in Rented accom for the Snco's

as this thread has mentioned a few times, your only option now, is to arrive on your arrival date, then put leave in for the rest of the week. You will only be in the block for 2 nights, which is not bad by anyones standard

It was only a possible punt that it was 6 Sqn, that's why I said 'might'.DT_Xtremez_19:

 

[TDJ]

Tea lad - take heed of the advice from KG (you wont get much better tbh) - if you are unhappy with the service that you have received make a complaint to DE about it. Use their complaints system to do this. Making a formal complaint, whilst a bit of a pain, is the only way we can force through improvements in how they operate.

The basis on which I offer advice is 3 fold:

1. I've moved 16 times in my career to date.
2. I've been a DE Liaison Officer and presented many cases to DE.
3. I had significant input into the compilation of JSP 464.

What did you actually hope to achieve? Its all very well looking for anecdotal advice from Goaters but experience suggests each case is considered on its merits. Quite simply, if its an emotive plea (regardless of moral implications) against the constraints of the JSP the regulations will prevail every time.

It may not be of use now, but in future, conduct all dealings with DE in writing. Ensure all correspondence is acknowledged by a named individual, know the JSP timelines for response and allocation, and enlist the assistance of your HR to pursue.

Taking all that into consideration, you should be aware of your course of action if your allocated SFA does not meet your expectation.

 

[muttywhitedog]

You get 5 days relocation leave, so use that so that you dont have the nause of staying in a block for 2 nights.

Have you considered speaking to your admin dudes and getting the posting date changed so that you have accommodation on arrival?

If that cant be done, and if, as you say, the blocks are full, then you can get a hotel in the area for those two nights and spend 2 or 3 days exploring the local area. If its because of SFA not being available then I'm pretty sure your family is entitled to be accommodated with you at public expense. It would be a wierd budget manager that wouldnt sign off two nights HOTAC for your clan versus three or four days travelling back & forth to Scotland to collect them!

 

[Realist78]

You're not the only one that has been fcuked around by the B1tch @ Conz.


I had a house on main site sorted by the old DHE bird but mysteriously it vanished when she left Conz and the bitch took over. Seems one of her friends wanted to move off Castlefields and got the house. I had to wait an extra month (got given gardening leave) for a sh1t house on Castlefields.

Not the sort of trouble I needed when I was moving the wife to Conz as parent unit to my unaccompanied 2 1/2 year det....

Nobody I have spoken to has a good word for her.

You on about D M? I haven't had a problem with her.

 

[UlsterExile]

You should be lucky I had to wait 7(1996) months for my first MQ after getting Married in the July. And there was nothing I could do about it, due to the fact it was in NI and spent the first 7 months unaccompanied. And then to top it all off, after getting sorted in the Feb I then get a posting to Germany that August. For my wife who was new to all this Military stuff this was quite an induction to the RAF. Yes DHE may have been complete arses but there is always some one worse off than you.DT_Xtremez_32:

 

[Saint Domingo]

This place makes me laugh sometimes, the lad was only asking for some advice and the way some people have replied is a joke.

For a start, this is an internet forum, not the mess, so some people need to get off their high horses and talking to him like **** regardless of their rank or post.

Why should he take DE's **** just because its the norm? They are a gang of useless ****ers in my opinion and I have had nothing but trouble with them. Make an official complaint I say, at least that way it will perhaps highlight the shoddy way these cowboys operate.

Finally, making a reference to our comrades who have fallen in Afghanistan to someone who is just asking for advice is a ****ing low blow. Shame on you.

 

[Climebear]

He has been given some very sound advice by some experienced people. Yes, they way he has been treated should not be accepted and he has been advised how he could complain.

Primarily though, TeaWhiteNonePlease has gone off on one because, rather like a spoilt child, he did not get what he wanted when he wanted. So he has to wait 2 whole days to get an FQ - big deal!

He needs to have is expectations realigned and have his 'problem' put into context, not his ego massaged with lots of 'oh, aren't the nasty people bad' comments.

It does not help anyone, to make mountains out of something that doesn't even warrant molehill status in life.

 

[vim_fuego]

We've all been messed around by DHE, man up FFS!

Yes it's stressful, yes they can be awkward. You might not get a qtr on the exact day you ask for. But at least you'll get one.

For the sake of 2 days just phone up your new place, explain the situation and see if you get some time off.

Sorry Masher not a direct jibe at you but yours was one of the many 'man-up' posts...

Over the past month or so there has been a plethora of 'falling standards' threads where people have commented on what type of uniform we wear and when we (if at all) wear it...some of the biggest protagonists of these ventures, where with glee they recount how they will chase an officer down the road for hundreds of metres just to pull them up for not having their hat at a jaunty enough angle, have posted on this thread stating not to make a fuss, to accept shoddiness, to allow people to offer bad services and lack lustre performance...

I say that this perceived lowering of standards could in some small part be attributed to services all around the average airmen being so shoddy...and the very people who berate the average airmen are on here saying 'accept it' rather than picking up the phone and making vicious waves against the person who dares to offer an utterley crap service for the valuable asset you have just received at your section...If someone consistently offers poor service it'll soon be noticed if we don't lie down and have our tummy tickled...

(Only 4 FQ's for me but to be fair I've lived in areas where houses were affordable...Possibly the best play I've ever made was when DHE was regional and I walked into their offices with a mahoosive box of biscuits...cue one superb quarter in Pinner with a garden that took me over 2 hours to mow)

 

[mememe]

Sorry Masher not a direct jibe at you but yours was one of the many 'man-up' posts...

Over the past month or so there has been a plethora of 'falling standards' threads where people have commented on what type of uniform we wear and when we (if at all) wear it...some of the biggest protagonists of these ventures, where with glee they recount how they will chase an officer down the road for hundreds of metres just to pull them up for not having their hat at a jaunty enough angle, have posted on this thread stating not to make a fuss, to accept shoddiness, to allow people to offer bad services and lack lustre performance...

I say that this perceived lowering of standards could in some small part be attributed to services all around the average airmen being so shoddy...and the very people who berate the average airmen are on here saying 'accept it' rather than picking up the phone and making vicious waves against the person who dares to offer an utterley crap service for the valuable asset you have just received at your section...If someone consistently offers poor service it'll soon be noticed if we don't lie down and have our tummy tickled...

(Only 4 FQ's for me but to be fair I've lived in areas where houses were affordable...Possibly the best play I've ever made was when DHE was regional and I walked into their offices with a mahoosive box of biscuits...cue one superb quarter in Pinner with a garden that took me over 2 hours to mow)

Vim, I agree with you as per my original post on this, why should we man up. I understand your rationale regarding the biscuits however, this amounts to greasing their palms do do the job they should be doing in the first place, should we encourage this? Would you do this with the dentist or MO to get a better service? Before everyone jumps on the bandwagon, I realise it is only a packet of biscuits but there is a principal here. I further realise this was the way we used to do business...shame our org has been eroded so much it can't/doesn't continue.

 

[MrMasher]

Sorry, but I don't agree.

2 DAYS!!!!

Thats all we are talking about, it should be simple to sort something out.

I don't advocate accepting everything that DE do, far from it, but for the sake of sorting out something for the "2 DAYS" just get on with it (man up!). I would!!

And no, we shouldn't expect a poor service from DE, however being offered a qtr 2 days after your posting date surely doesnt count as poor service?