Counting towards a degree....

[Spearmint]

I've read that upon qualifying as Non-Commissioned Aircrew you are awarded a foundation degree (240 Points) in Applied Aviation and the remainder can be achieved post phase 2 training.

So I have a few questions.

Would the remaining 120 Points for a full degree be earned post Phase 3 training or is it something that has to be chased up during your own time?

Can it be used as an AIP?

Would anyone know if a BTEC National Certificate in Engineering Aerospace Studies has anything that can be counted towards the full degree if it is something that needs chasing up?

Any help as always is very much appreciated.

 

[FOGHORN LEGHORN]

Re: Counting towards a degree....

The foundation degree can be used as an aip. The degree can be completed in your own time but I think the foundation actually covers the first two years, will check. You could always use learning credits etc

 

[MontyPlumbs]

I've read that upon qualifying as Non-Commissioned Aircrew you are awarded a foundation degree (240 Points) in Applied Aviation and the remainder can be achieved post phase 2 training.

So I have a few questions.

Would the remaining 120 Points for a full degree be earned post Phase 3 training or is it something that has to be chased up during your own time?

Can it be used as an AIP?

Would anyone know if a BTEC National Certificate in Engineering Aerospace Studies has anything that can be counted towards the full degree if it is something that needs chasing up?

Any help as always is very much appreciated.

Hi mate, the BTEC is a level 3 qualification on the NQF (National Qualifications Framework). Undegraduate study is at levels 4, 5 and 6 on the NQF (years 1,2 and 3 respectively).

A Foundation Degree is the new name for a HND and is at levels 4 and 5. The final year to top up to an Honours degree (360 points) is at level 6 (Universities call this UG level 3 to further confuse matters!).

There are still some 'ordinary' degrees around which are 300 points (240 points plus another 60 at NQF level 6).

Postgraduate qualifications are at level 7 (Masters) and 8 (Doctorate) on the NQF.

Hope this explains it a bit more for you mate!

 

[Spearmint]

Hi mate, the BTEC is a level 3 qualification on the NQF (National Qualifications Framework). Undegraduate study is at levels 4, 5 and 6 on the NQF (years 1,2 and 3 respectively).

A Foundation Degree is the new name for a HND and is at levels 4 and 5. The final year to top up to an Honours degree (360 points) is at level 6 (Universities call this UG level 3 to further confuse matters!).

There are still some 'ordinary' degrees around which are 300 points (240 points plus another 60 at NQF level 6).

Postgraduate qualifications are at level 7 (Masters) and 8 (Doctorate) on the NQF.

Hope this explains it a bit more for you mate!

It does actually thanks, though I admit I've had to re-read it a couple of times as it's a little complicated to understand at first.

Monty + Foghorn, cheers!DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[MontyPlumbs]

It does actually thanks, though I admit I've had to re-read it a couple of times as it's a little complicated to understand at first.

Monty + Foghorn, cheers!DT_Xtremez_30:

This Will help you understand the relationship between different qualifications. I still deny, however, that an NVQ level 3 is anything like equal to A levels! DT_Xtremez_14:

Top tip, look into Middlesex Universities work based learning packages - they can be a brilliant way of achieving the qualification you are after. I'm studying for an MSc with them at the moment.

 

[busby1971]

Blame the Govt

Blame the Govt

The govt has tried to equate a lot of qualifications so that they are easily comparable.

This does mean that some qualification may appear to be overated but employers tend to know what is what.

There has recently been a greater spread of numbers entered into the NQF and it may confuse a few people until it beds down.

 

[metimmee]

This Will help you understand the relationship between different qualifications. I still deny, however, that an NVQ level 3 is anything like equal to A levels! DT_Xtremez_14:

Top tip, look into Middlesex Universities work based learning packages - they can be a brilliant way of achieving the qualification you are after. I'm studying for an MSc with them at the moment.

Interested in what these guys have to offer, care to tell us what your experience is with them?

 

[MontyPlumbs]

Interested in what these guys have to offer, care to tell us what your experience is with them?

Very good so far. Don't be fooled into thinking it's an easy route to a qualification though, it's just as difficult as other University level stuff I've studied, just based around the workplace rather than abstract academic material.

The learning contract can be quite difficult to get your head around, although the tutorial support is good as Middlesex University are pioneers of this kind of learning.

I read about a CEO of a leading manufacturing company undertaking his DProf through this scheme, so I imagine it's pretty well respected.

 

[MontyPlumbs]

The govt has tried to equate a lot of qualifications so that they are easily comparable.

This does mean that some qualification may appear to be overated but employers tend to know what is what.

There has recently been a greater spread of numbers entered into the NQF and it may confuse a few people until it beds down.

There is a big shake up of the NQF due, each qualification within each level will now have approximate hours of study attached to it, so people can easily see, for example, the difference between a PGCert and MSc (both level 7 qualifications).

 

[metimmee]

Very good so far. Don't be fooled into thinking it's an easy route to a qualification though, it's just as difficult as other University level stuff I've studied, just based around the workplace rather than abstract academic material.

The learning contract can be quite difficult to get your head around, although the tutorial support is good as Middlesex University are pioneers of this kind of learning.

I read about a CEO of a leading manufacturing company undertaking his DProf through this scheme, so I imagine it's pretty well respected.

Yeah I saw the DProf, looks interesting...I'm working toward an MSc with Portsmouth at the mo..just finished the first year (assuming I have passed the final assignment). Straight forward part time MSc, although I was permitted to enroll without a 1st degree....its ferkin nails!

 

[MontyPlumbs]

Yeah I saw the DProf, looks interesting...I'm working toward an MSc with Portsmouth at the mo..just finished the first year (assuming I have passed the final assignment). Straight forward part time MSc, although I was permitted to enroll without a 1st degree....its ferkin nails!

I know what you mean mate! Depending on your age/profession and aspirations, not having a first degree can range from unimportant to being looked upon negatively.

If it were me I'd complete your MSc, then if you like the look of the DProf, go for the MProf first, find out if you are really cut out for a Research degree!

I would love to do a Doctorate one day, but it all rests if I will be employed in the kind of role that will allow me to make 'major organisational change' as the criteria eloquently puts it, oh and whether or not I'm too thick to write a 100,000 word thesis!! DT_Xtremez_14:

 

[metimmee]

I know what you mean mate! Depending on your age/profession and aspirations, not having a first degree can range from unimportant to being looked upon negatively.

If it were me I'd complete your MSc, then if you like the look of the DProf, go for the MProf first, find out if you are really cut out for a Research degree!

I would love to do a Doctorate one day, but it all rests if I will be employed in the kind of role that will allow me to make 'major organisational change' as the criteria eloquently puts it, oh and whether or not I'm too thick to write a 100,000 word thesis!! DT_Xtremez_14:

I kid you not, I have slept 5.5 hrs since Wednesday. I've either been at work or working on the assignment. It has been enjoyable though and opened my eyes to acedemic research and given me a much wider view of the topic than I previously had.

I really enjoy being able to research through the electronic sources and the vast university library.

Keep us posted on your progress and experience Monty.